Re: [Ubuntu-phone] GPS/location and other background processing

2016-03-14 Thread Thomas Voß
On Sun, Mar 6, 2016 at 10:31 AM, Krzysztof Tataradziński wrote: > @Thomas, > > > 2016-02-29 16:38 GMT+01:00 Thomas Voß : >> >> We will introduce an API for applications that allows >> navigation/tracker apps to enable monitoring of positions. ETA is OTA >> 11, OTA 10 is too close right now. >> Exp

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] GPS/location and other background processing

2016-03-06 Thread Krzysztof Tataradziński
@Thomas, 2016-02-29 16:38 GMT+01:00 Thomas Voß : > We will introduce an API for applications that allows > navigation/tracker apps to enable monitoring of positions. ETA is OTA > 11, OTA 10 is too close right now. > Exposure to Qt/QML will happen similar to the BlackBerry backends, > with a prop

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] GPS/location and other background processing

2016-02-29 Thread Wayne Ward
I only noticed this last week while doing a demo of prey in westgate about 3 miles from morecambe i showed if the app and it finding my location 3 miles away in morecambe , because it got my location from the wifi access point which must have been connected to a exchange in norecambe :( Bad dem

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] GPS/location and other background processing

2016-02-29 Thread Alan Bell
On 29/02/16 21:56, Thomas Voß wrote: On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 10:48 PM, Alan Bell wrote: On 29/02/16 21:29, Thomas Voß wrote: With all due respect, this is not a bug in the platform. Are you, 2 other people, and others experiencing an issue? Certainly. Is the only way to fixing it to periodi

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] GPS/location and other background processing

2016-02-29 Thread Thomas Voß
On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 10:48 PM, Alan Bell wrote: > > > On 29/02/16 21:29, Thomas Voß wrote: >> >> With all due respect, this is not a bug in the platform. Are you, 2 >> other people, and others experiencing an issue? Certainly. Is the only >> way to fixing it to periodically wake up the phone? I

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] GPS/location and other background processing

2016-02-29 Thread Thomas Voß
On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 10:10 PM, Costales wrote: > Hi :) > > @Thomas: > > "If applications fail to handle the respective data correctly, it is not the > service at fault here." > > With all due respect, I consider this statement insulting for every > developer of a GPS application in Ubuntu Touch

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] GPS/location and other background processing

2016-02-29 Thread Thomas Voß
On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 10:32 PM, Alan Bell wrote: > I don't think that is quite the problem, GPS has got every chance to work, > the problem is the starting time, I don't want it to start thinking about a > location when I do something that needs one. I want it to already have > sorted it out bef

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] GPS/location and other background processing

2016-02-29 Thread Thomas Voß
On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 10:27 PM, Royden Yates wrote: > On Monday, 29 February 2016 21:46:02 CET, Alan Pope > wrote: >> >> Hi Thomas, >> >> On 29 February 2016 at 15:35, Thomas Voß >> wrote: >>> >>> On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 12:38 PM, Alan Bell wrote: it isn't really about that, it is a

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] GPS/location and other background processing

2016-02-29 Thread Alan Bell
On 29/02/16 21:29, Thomas Voß wrote: With all due respect, this is not a bug in the platform. Are you, 2 other people, and others experiencing an issue? Certainly. Is the only way to fixing it to periodically wake up the phone? I don't think so as other mobile platforms get the job done without

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] GPS/location and other background processing

2016-02-29 Thread Thomas Voß
On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 10:12 PM, Felipe De La Puente wrote: > I think that the weak link here is the GNSS assistance mechanism used in > ubuntu. > > Having a good assistance method the time to first fix should be within > seconds or worst case a couple of minutes. Am I right? > Yup, that's true.

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] GPS/location and other background processing

2016-02-29 Thread Alan Bell
I don't think that is quite the problem, GPS has got every chance to work, the problem is the starting time, I don't want it to start thinking about a location when I do something that needs one. I want it to already have sorted it out before I ask for it. The principal should be "don't make th

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] GPS/location and other background processing

2016-02-29 Thread Thomas Voß
On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 9:46 PM, Alan Pope wrote: > Hi Thomas, > > On 29 February 2016 at 15:35, Thomas Voß wrote: >> On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 12:38 PM, Alan Bell wrote: >>> it isn't really about that, it is about providing less broken location data >>> to applications that ask for it. The curren

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] GPS/location and other background processing

2016-02-29 Thread Royden Yates
On Monday, 29 February 2016 21:46:02 CET, Alan Pope wrote: Hi Thomas, On 29 February 2016 at 15:35, Thomas Voß wrote: On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 12:38 PM, Alan Bell wrote: it isn't really about that, it is about providing less broken location data to applications that ask for it. The current

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] GPS/location and other background processing

2016-02-29 Thread Felipe De La Puente
I think that the weak link here is the GNSS assistance mechanism used in ubuntu. Having a good assistance method the time to first fix should be within seconds or worst case a couple of minutes. Am I right? If the system is able to achieve <1min time to first fix, then you don't need to give the

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] GPS/location and other background processing

2016-02-29 Thread Costales
Hi :) @Thomas: "If applications fail to handle the respective data correctly, it is not the service at fault here." With all due respect, I consider this statement insulting for every developer of a GPS application in Ubuntu Touch, me included ;) "The service hands out the last known good loca

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] GPS/location and other background processing

2016-02-29 Thread Alan Pope
Hi Thomas, On 29 February 2016 at 15:35, Thomas Voß wrote: > On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 12:38 PM, Alan Bell wrote: >> it isn't really about that, it is about providing less broken location data >> to applications that ask for it. The current situation is that if an >> application requests location

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] GPS/location and other background processing

2016-02-29 Thread Alan Bell
so, if I ensure my phone has current location by running a maps application that continuously updates, then close that, and drive a few miles, get out and chill for a while, giving the phone plenty of time to get it's act together, then take some photos, then visit http://www.where-am-i.net/ al

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] GPS/location and other background processing

2016-02-29 Thread Felipe De La Puente
Hi Thomas, These are very good news! By the way, about the accuracy of getting an old position update, I missed the fact that the timestamp could be used to validate the usability of the position update. That's enough for the client app. Best Regards, Felipe. On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 12:38 PM, Th

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] GPS/location and other background processing

2016-02-29 Thread Alan Bell
On 29/02/16 15:35, Thomas Voß wrote: On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 12:38 PM, Alan Bell wrote: >it isn't really about that, it is about providing less broken location data >to applications that ask for it. The current situation is that if an >application requests location data it gets given random coo

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] GPS/location and other background processing

2016-02-29 Thread Thomas Voß
We will introduce an API for applications that allows navigation/tracker apps to enable monitoring of positions. ETA is OTA 11, OTA 10 is too close right now. Exposure to Qt/QML will happen similar to the BlackBerry backends, with a property "monitor" on the position source. @Satellite visibility

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] GPS/location and other background processing

2016-02-29 Thread Thomas Voß
On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 12:38 PM, Alan Bell wrote: > it isn't really about that, it is about providing less broken location data > to applications that ask for it. The current situation is that if an > application requests location data it gets given random coordinates of > somewhere you may have

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] GPS/location and other background processing

2016-02-29 Thread Felipe De La Puente
Hi, I think I didn't get Alan's message clearly, but makes me think that this dummy position given by the location service as the first update should carry a flag saying "take it with a grain of salt, this is the last I checked" which in the Qt context could be achieved setting the QGeoPositionInf

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] GPS/location and other background processing

2016-02-29 Thread Wayne Ward
It was working quite well last week but not so good this week It would be just good to have the feature of tracking or wiping our phones if lost. I know its a bit stupid if you leave your phone at some random location but accidents do happen so being able to track it back to were you was last c

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] GPS/location and other background processing

2016-02-29 Thread Alan Bell
it isn't really about that, it is about providing less broken location data to applications that ask for it. The current situation is that if an application requests location data it gets given random coordinates of somewhere you may have been to in the last week or so. Then it thinks about ref

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] GPS/location and other background processing

2016-02-28 Thread Matthias Apitz
El día Monday, February 29, 2016 a las 01:04:43AM +0100, Royden Yates escribió: > On Sunday, 28 February 2016 21:44:05 CET, Matthias Apitz > wrote: > > I do not think that it is a good idea that some kind of "service" or > > "secret service" tracks the location of your mobile device and you. >

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] GPS/location and other background processing

2016-02-28 Thread Royden Yates
On Sunday, 28 February 2016 21:44:05 CET, Matthias Apitz wrote: El día Sunday, February 28, 2016 a las 08:36:13PM +, Wayne Ward escribió: Try installing prey from my read me its early days but tracks Wayne I do not think that it is a good idea that some kind of "service" or "secret se

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] GPS/location and other background processing

2016-02-28 Thread Wayne Ward
Ok just trying to help in these early days of ubuntu on mobile , good luck while it blooms Wayne n Sunday, 28 February 2016 20:44:05 UTC, Matthias Apitz wrote: El día Sunday, February 28, 2016 a las 08:36:13PM +, Wayne Ward escribió: Try installing prey from my read me its early days b

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] GPS/location and other background processing

2016-02-28 Thread Matthias Apitz
El día Sunday, February 28, 2016 a las 08:36:13PM +, Wayne Ward escribió: > Try installing prey from my read me its early days but tracks > > Wayne I do not think that it is a good idea that some kind of "service" or "secret service" tracks the location of your mobile device and you.

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] GPS/location and other background processing

2016-02-28 Thread Wayne Ward
Try installing prey from my read me its early days but tracks Wayne n Sunday, 28 February 2016 19:31:17 UTC, Krzysztof Tataradziński wrote: Hello, could anyone from Canonical give us the official statement about getting location updates in background/while screen is off? I know, for now ther

[Ubuntu-phone] GPS/location and other background processing

2016-02-28 Thread Krzysztof Tataradziński
Hello, could anyone from Canonical give us the official statement about getting location updates in background/while screen is off? I know, for now there is no possibility to do that; and we all know that is blocking a lot of apps to be more useful or to save battery life (sport trackers or navi a