Re: 8.04-1 won't boot from degraded raid

2008-08-29 Thread Dustin Kirkland
On Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 3:11 PM, Michael Hipp [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dustin Kirkland wrote: Among this thread, and the several others bugs on this topic (various aspects of booting degraded RAID), it seems that there are a number of different (perhaps even conflicting) expectations on this

Re: 8.04-1 won't boot from degraded raid

2008-08-27 Thread Soren Hansen
On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 04:22:18PM -0600, Sam Howard wrote: Thanks for the follow up ... I suspected that you had just typeo'd your example scenario, but wanted to clarify it for me and everyone else following along. Sure. Thanks for catching it and pointing it out. I hear you. All my

Re: 8.04-1 won't boot from degraded raid

2008-08-27 Thread Michael Hipp
Dustin Kirkland wrote: Among this thread, and the several others bugs on this topic (various aspects of booting degraded RAID), it seems that there are a number of different (perhaps even conflicting) expectations on this topic. Could you elaborate? I've seen mention of various enhancements

Re: 8.04-1 won't boot from degraded raid

2008-08-26 Thread Brian McKee
On Mon, Aug 25, 2008 at 4:22 PM, Michael Hipp [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But in the meantime ... this is Intrepid. What do I do about the production Hardy that I is now known to ship with a broken RAID implementation? Just because it doesn't boot without intervention from a degraded RAID, that

Re: 8.04-1 won't boot from degraded raid

2008-08-26 Thread Soren Hansen
On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 07:48:10AM -0400, Brian McKee wrote: But in the meantime ... this is Intrepid. What do I do about the production Hardy that I is now known to ship with a broken RAID implementation? Just because it doesn't boot without intervention from a degraded RAID, that doesn't

Re: 8.04-1 won't boot from degraded raid

2008-08-26 Thread Michael Hipp
Soren Hansen wrote: On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 07:48:10AM -0400, Brian McKee wrote: But in the meantime ... this is Intrepid. What do I do about the production Hardy that I is now known to ship with a broken RAID implementation? Just because it doesn't boot without intervention from a degraded

Re: 8.04-1 won't boot from degraded raid

2008-08-26 Thread Soren Hansen
On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 10:20:45AM -0500, Michael Hipp wrote: But in the meantime ... this is Intrepid. What do I do about the production Hardy that I is now known to ship with a broken RAID implementation? Just because it doesn't boot without intervention from a degraded RAID, that doesn't

Re: 8.04-1 won't boot from degraded raid

2008-08-26 Thread David Miller
Rants aside...there are definitely some use cases that currently aren't possible. I think we can all agree on that. But I don't think that Michael is alone here. I know that this particular issue has prevented us from deploying Ubuntu on our servers. I would imagine that this issue is a show

Re: 8.04-1 won't boot from degraded raid

2008-08-26 Thread Kees Cook
Hi, On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 12:44:36PM -0400, David Miller wrote: But I don't think that Michael is alone here. I know that this particular issue has prevented us from deploying Ubuntu on our servers. I would imagine that this issue is a show stopper for other potential customers who would

Re: 8.04-1 won't boot from degraded raid

2008-08-26 Thread Soren Hansen
On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 11:10:49AM -0500, Michael Hipp wrote: Just Work in this context means different things to different people. To me, Just Work means that it above all doesn't corrupt my data. To others, it might mean start the sucker no matter what, so that I can get on with my life.

Re: 8.04-1 won't boot from degraded raid

2008-08-26 Thread Michael Hipp
Soren Hansen wrote: On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 11:10:49AM -0500, Michael Hipp wrote: Just Work in this context means different things to different people. To me, Just Work means that it above all doesn't corrupt my data. To others, it might mean start the sucker no matter what, so that I can

Re: 8.04-1 won't boot from degraded raid

2008-08-26 Thread Sam Howard
Hi. I really don't want to get into the middle of a flame war, but I don't understand something you wrote and would like clarification so that I am not assuming something incorrectly. On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 9:54 AM, Soren Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm quite happy that the server

Re: 8.04-1 won't boot from degraded raid

2008-08-26 Thread Dustin Kirkland
On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 4:20 PM, Michael Hipp [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Would my rant be any better received if I pointed out that this stuff has worked just fine in versions of Red Hat and Windows dating back almost a decade. Absolutely in no way possible your rant would be better received.

Re: 8.04-1 won't boot from degraded raid

2008-08-26 Thread Sam Howard
Soren, Thanks for the follow up ... I suspected that you had just typeo'd your example scenario, but wanted to clarify it for me and everyone else following along. I hear you. All my servers are, in fact, remote. I'm however in the happy situation that if a machine fails to come online after

Re: 8.04-1 won't boot from degraded raid

2008-08-25 Thread Michael Hipp
Nick Barcet wrote: Michael Hipp wrote: I just loaded a small LAN server with 8.04-1 server. It has two identical disks in a RAID1 configuration. Works great as long as both disks are online. But if I disconnect either disk it drops into a BusyBox shell and tells me that my RAID is

Re: 8.04-1 won't boot from degraded raid

2008-08-25 Thread Dustin Kirkland
Michael- I have been working on this very extensively recently. Is there any chance you can check if the cd images for Intrepid do what you want them to do? I'm on vacation at the moment but had the opportunity to check my email and saw your note. If you check at least test the daily Intrepid

Re: 8.04-1 won't boot from degraded raid

2008-08-23 Thread Nick Barcet
Michael Hipp wrote: I just loaded a small LAN server with 8.04-1 server. It has two identical disks in a RAID1 configuration. Works great as long as both disks are online. But if I disconnect either disk it drops into a BusyBox shell and tells me that my RAID is degraded and I can boot