Re: [ubuntu-uk] I'm new

2011-07-29 Thread alan c
On 29/07/11 00:12, Avi Greenbury wrote: alan c wrote: Mat It has been said *clearly* what went wrong! The chap on the [irc] who's responded to my plea for help has just given me technical jargon answers I simply don't understand and he's putting me off Ubuntu. That's not clear at

Re: [ubuntu-uk] I'm new

2011-07-29 Thread Dianne Reuby
On Fri, 2011-07-29 at 09:12 +0100, alan c wrote: My immediate reaction is to think of prompting phone contact, or having it as an option somehow. In this case the user reverted to direct personal contact with a person already known to them, to confide in. It can be taken that the user did not

Re: [ubuntu-uk] I'm new

2011-07-29 Thread Barry Drake
On Fri, 2011-07-29 at 09:12 +0100, alan c wrote: and gave up. There may be a procedural way to help to avoid this, but the range of level of support from location of the 'any key' through to fluent terminal use is vast. I was very impressed by the support from Virgin broadband. I had upgraded

[ubuntu-uk] HLUG Open Source Schools Project

2011-07-29 Thread Sarah Chard
Hi I wanted to let you know what is happening here in Herefordshire. As a part of ISFD we are running an Open Source Schools Project - partially inspired by discussions here on education and open source. Herefordshire LUG contacted schools across the county and we now have around 7 schools

Re: [ubuntu-uk] I'm new

2011-07-29 Thread Alan Bell
On 29/07/11 09:33, Dianne Reuby wrote: My only experience of internet chat before Ubuntu was that AIM stuff that my children loved but I hated - mainly because it flooded with weird strangers. I was very nervous when I started using IRC because of this, and I was also worried that I could do

Re: [ubuntu-uk] I'm new

2011-07-29 Thread Tony Pursell
On Fri, 2011-07-29 at 09:33 +0100, Dianne Reuby wrote: On Fri, 2011-07-29 at 09:12 +0100, alan c wrote: My immediate reaction is to think of prompting phone contact, or having it as an option somehow. In this case the user reverted to direct personal contact with a person already known to

Re: [ubuntu-uk] I'm new

2011-07-29 Thread Avi Greenbury
Tony Pursell wrote: It does seem that Ubuntu is unprepared to meet the support needs of the type of general, every day user that it wants (I assume) to attract. If we were a commercial organisation, all the support workers would be trained and there would be a common approach. Canonical, the

Re: [ubuntu-uk] I'm new

2011-07-29 Thread Matthew Daubney
Hi Alan, While it is true the general issue has been stated, in order to properly assess what that specific user may see as technical and not technical really depends on the person. If we can get together some examples of where we have gone wrong we can assess each one and figure out how best to

Re: [ubuntu-uk] I'm new

2011-07-29 Thread Tony Pursell
On Fri, 2011-07-29 at 11:31 +0100, Avi Greenbury wrote: Tony Pursell wrote: It does seem that Ubuntu is unprepared to meet the support needs of the type of general, every day user that it wants (I assume) to attract. If we were a commercial organisation, all the support workers would be

Re: [ubuntu-uk] I'm new

2011-07-29 Thread Avi Greenbury
Tony Pursell wrote: Canonical, the commercial organisation, is configured so. I don't think you'll ever have a provided-in-free-time sort of support arrangement that matches up to the sorts of things that that the paid for ones do in terms of maintaining a low level of technical But

Re: [ubuntu-uk] I'm new

2011-07-29 Thread Paula Graham
On 29/07/11 09:51, Barry Drake wrote: On Fri, 2011-07-29 at 09:12 +0100, alan c wrote: and gave up. There may be a procedural way to help to avoid this, but the range of level of support from location of the 'any key' through to fluent terminal use is vast. I was very impressed by the support

Re: [ubuntu-uk] I'm new

2011-07-29 Thread Alan Bell
On 29/07/11 14:18, Paula Graham wrote: Agreed Barry - that's the sort of thing we always try (and don't always succeed) - she hasn't turned up this morning when she was supposed to bring in her laptop - I suspect it's a driver problem on an older laptop. If/when she does turn up, I'll get more

Re: [ubuntu-uk] I'm new

2011-07-29 Thread Alan Bell
On 29/07/11 14:18, Paula Graham wrote: Should I be sending people to the ubuntu-beginners channel instead? out of interest, how do you currently direct them, and how do you describe IRC to them? Alan -- The Open Learning Centre is rebranding, find out about our new name and look at

Re: [ubuntu-uk] I'm new

2011-07-29 Thread Tony Pursell
On Fri, 2011-07-29 at 14:47 +0100, Alan Bell wrote: On 29/07/11 14:18, Paula Graham wrote: Should I be sending people to the ubuntu-beginners channel instead? out of interest, how do you currently direct them, and how do you describe IRC to them? Alan and do you suggest any of the

Re: [ubuntu-uk] I'm new

2011-07-29 Thread alan c
On 29/07/11 12:35, Matthew Daubney wrote: Hi Alan, While it is true the general issue has been stated, in order to properly assess what that specific user may see as technical and not technical really depends on the person. If we can get together some examples of where we have gone wrong we

Re: [ubuntu-uk] HLUG Open Source Schools Project

2011-07-29 Thread alan c
On 29/07/11 10:06, Sarah Chard wrote: Hi I wanted to let you know what is happening here in Herefordshire. As a part of ISFD we are running an Open Source Schools Project - partially inspired by discussions here on education and open source. Herefordshire LUG contacted schools across the

Re: [ubuntu-uk] I'm new

2011-07-29 Thread Matthew Daubney
On 29 July 2011 17:28, alan c aecl...@candt.waitrose.com wrote: On 29/07/11 12:35, Matthew Daubney wrote: Hi Alan, While it is true the general issue has been stated, in order to properly assess what that specific user may see as technical and not technical really depends on the person. If

Re: [ubuntu-uk] HLUG Open Source Schools Project

2011-07-29 Thread Rob Beard
On 29/07/11 10:06, Sarah Chard wrote: Hi I wanted to let you know what is happening here in Herefordshire. As a part of ISFD we are running an Open Source Schools Project - partially inspired by discussions here on education and open source. Herefordshire LUG contacted schools across the county

Re: [ubuntu-uk] I'm new

2011-07-29 Thread dianne reuby
On 29/07/11 09:51, Barry Drake wrote: And Virgin NEVER said 'we don't support Linux' You were lucky then - if I ever make the mistake of mentioning Linux, they tell me to phone back when I've installed windows.  Dianne-- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com

Re: [ubuntu-uk] I'm new

2011-07-29 Thread philip taylor
hi agreed, i have had the same issue with the ISP my dad has chosen, talktalk, they blindly refused to help me, and there reason was this, they couldnt trust the results, hmm. very annoyed bunny. Philip On 29 July 2011 20:21, dianne reuby pramc...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: