Re: [ubuntu-uk] Installing Ubuntu on a machine with Windows 9

2013-01-07 Thread Ron Rhodes
On 06/01/13 09:26, Rowan Berkeley wrote: Whoops no, I'm sorry, this machine is still Windows 8. Win 9 will be out later this year. But anyway, reliable instructions. On 06/01/2013 10:19, Rowan Berkeley wrote: Hello again, Can anybody recommend a reliable set of online instructions for

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Installing Ubuntu on a machine with Windows 9

2013-01-07 Thread Rowan Berkeley
On 07/01/2013 11:52, Ron Rhodes wrote: I've followed this thread with interest right from the beginning as I had the same problem when I purchased my Samsung NP350V5C-AOEUK with the new Windows 8 OS last November. A large number of postings have been made, most of them ignore the problem and

[ubuntu-uk] Installing Ubuntu on a machine with Windows 9

2013-01-07 Thread Rowan Berkeley
Ha ha, I've managed it. The last message was precisely to the point. You MUST use a USB stick, and the latest version only (12.10). I took a chance and installed it instead of Windows, rather than alongside Windows, but it seems to be working perfectly, so far. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Installing Ubuntu on a machine with Windows 9

2013-01-07 Thread Andy Braben
On 7 January 2013 14:12, Rowan Berkeley rowan.berke...@gmail.com wrote: Ha ha, I've managed it. The last message was precisely to the point. You MUST use a USB stick, and the latest version only (12.10). I took a chance and installed it instead of Windows, rather than alongside Windows, but it

[ubuntu-uk] Installing Ubuntu on a machine with Windows 9

2013-01-06 Thread Rowan Berkeley
Hello again, Can anybody recommend a reliable set of online instructions for installing Ubuntu on a machine with Windows 9? Neither the online installer nor the live CD will work. I found some instructions for doing it on Windows 8, somewhere on line, and they were pretty complex, involving

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Installing Ubuntu on a machine with Windows 9

2013-01-06 Thread Rowan Berkeley
Whoops no, I'm sorry, this machine is still Windows 8. Win 9 will be out later this year. But anyway, reliable instructions. On 06/01/2013 10:19, Rowan Berkeley wrote: Hello again, Can anybody recommend a reliable set of online instructions for installing Ubuntu on a machine with Windows 9?

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Installing Ubuntu on a machine with Windows 9

2013-01-06 Thread Colin Law
On 6 January 2013 09:19, Rowan Berkeley rowan.berke...@gmail.com wrote: Hello again, Can anybody recommend a reliable set of online instructions for installing Ubuntu on a machine with Windows 9? Neither the online installer nor the live CD will work. I found some instructions for doing it on

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Installing Ubuntu on a machine with Windows 9

2013-01-06 Thread Rowan Berkeley
No, it won't. Nor will the online self-installer work. This is apparently the case with all Windows 8 users who try to do it. They have to do a lot of manual work to make it possible, with partitions. Since this has become a standard issue, there should be a step by step procedure for it in

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Installing Ubuntu on a machine with Windows 9

2013-01-06 Thread Gareth France
You could start by formatting the drive. It won't achieve anything but I hate windows 8 so much I'd feel better for that step alone! On 06/01/13 09:38, Rowan Berkeley wrote: No, it won't. Nor will the online self-installer work. This is apparently the case with all Windows 8 users who try to

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Installing Ubuntu on a machine with Windows 9

2013-01-06 Thread Colin Law
On 6 January 2013 09:38, Rowan Berkeley rowan.berke...@gmail.com wrote: No, it won't. Please don't top post, readers will have to look down to the end of the email to find out what it is that won't what. What happens when you tell it to boot off the CD? Colin Nor will the online

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Installing Ubuntu on a machine with Windows 9

2013-01-06 Thread Rowan Berkeley
Yes, it's pretty vile. It seems to think of itself primarily as an online shopping arcade. On 06/01/2013 11:39, Gareth France wrote: You could start by formatting the drive. It won't achieve anything but I hate windows 8 so much I'd feel better for that step alone! On 06/01/13 09:38, Rowan

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Installing Ubuntu on a machine with Windows 9

2013-01-06 Thread Rowan Berkeley
On 06/01/2013 11:42, Colin Law wrote: On 6 January 2013 09:38, Rowan Berkeley rowan.berke...@gmail.com wrote: No, it won't. Please don't top post, readers will have to look down to the end of the email to find out what it is that won't what. What happens when you tell it to boot off the CD?

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Installing Ubuntu on a machine with Windows 9

2013-01-06 Thread Colin Law
On 6 January 2013 10:42, Colin Law clan...@googlemail.com wrote: On 6 January 2013 09:38, Rowan Berkeley rowan.berke...@gmail.com wrote: No, it won't. Please don't top post, readers will have to look down to the end of the email to find out what it is that won't what. What happens when you

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Installing Ubuntu on a machine with Windows 9

2013-01-06 Thread Gareth France
On 06/01/13 09:46, Rowan Berkeley wrote: On 06/01/2013 11:42, Colin Law wrote: On 6 January 2013 09:38, Rowan Berkeley rowan.berke...@gmail.com wrote: No, it won't. Please don't top post, readers will have to look down to the end of the email to find out what it is that won't what. What

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Installing Ubuntu on a machine with Windows 9

2013-01-06 Thread Rowan Berkeley
On 06/01/2013 11:45, Colin Law wrote: On 6 January 2013 10:42, Colin Law clan...@googlemail.com wrote: On 6 January 2013 09:38, Rowan Berkeley rowan.berke...@gmail.com wrote: No, it won't. Please don't top post, readers will have to look down to the end of the email to find out what it is

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Installing Ubuntu on a machine with Windows 9

2013-01-06 Thread Rowan Berkeley
On 06/01/2013 11:47, Gareth France wrote: And I find bottom posting extremely annoying. It means each post is slightly more long winded to reply to than the last. So I just follow the example of the previous poster. OK, I'll clip them down to the immediate precursor message, like this. --

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Installing Ubuntu on a machine with Windows 9

2013-01-06 Thread Sean Miller
WUBI is fine with Windows 8 I'm running it here... Just install it from Windows. Sean -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Installing Ubuntu on a machine with Windows 9

2013-01-06 Thread Rowan Berkeley
On 06/01/2013 12:03, Sean Miller wrote: WUBI is fine with Windows 8 I'm running it here... Just install it from Windows. Sean How do you mean, from Windows? Do you mean, from inside Windows, as opposed to changing the boot order so that the machine attempts to boot from the disk instead of

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Installing Ubuntu on a machine with Windows 9

2013-01-06 Thread Rowan Berkeley
On 06/01/2013 12:03, Sean Miller wrote: WUBI is fine with Windows 8 I'm running it here... Just install it from Windows. Sean Actually, I've tried that, but not with the disk; I've tried it with what I called the 'self installer'. This is the procedure Ubuntu offer as the easy way because

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Installing Ubuntu on a machine with Windows 9

2013-01-06 Thread Gareth France
On 06/01/13 09:53, Rowan Berkeley wrote: On 06/01/2013 11:47, Gareth France wrote: And I find bottom posting extremely annoying. It means each post is slightly more long winded to reply to than the last. So I just follow the example of the previous poster. OK, I'll clip them down to the

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Installing Ubuntu on a machine with Windows 9

2013-01-06 Thread Simon Greenwood
On 6 Jan 2013 11:32, Rowan Berkeley rowan.berke...@gmail.com wrote: On 06/01/2013 12:03, Sean Miller wrote: WUBI is fine with Windows 8 I'm running it here... Just install it from Windows. Sean Actually, I've tried that, but not with the disk; I've tried it with what I called the

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Installing Ubuntu on a machine with Windows 9

2013-01-06 Thread Sean Miller
On 6 January 2013 10:33, Rowan Berkeley rowan.berke...@gmail.com wrote: But I get exactly the same result: it seems to complete the installation process and tells you to restart, you get a screen asking whether you want to boot into Windows or Ubuntu, and when you try to boot into Ubuntu you

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Installing Ubuntu on a machine with Windows 9

2013-01-06 Thread Sean Miller
On 6 January 2013 10:33, Rowan Berkeley rowan.berke...@gmail.com wrote: Actually, I've tried that, but not with the disk; I've tried it with what I called the 'self installer'. This is the procedure Ubuntu offer as the easy way because it skips the CD stage altogether, it just downloads

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Installing Ubuntu on a machine with Windows 9

2013-01-06 Thread Rowan Berkeley
On 06/01/2013 13:37, Simon Greenwood wrote: On 6 Jan 2013 11:32, Rowan Berkeley rowan.berke...@gmail.com mailto:rowan.berke...@gmail.com wrote: On 06/01/2013 12:03, Sean Miller wrote: WUBI is fine with Windows 8 I'm running it here... Just install it from Windows. Sean Actually,

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Installing Ubuntu on a machine with Windows 9

2013-01-06 Thread Simon Greenwood
On 6 January 2013 12:07, Rowan Berkeley rowan.berke...@gmail.com wrote: Compaq CQ58 Takes a mere Google to find http://orrinfox.deviantart.com/art/Ubuntu-12-10-x64-running-on-CQ58-340364493 so it's likely that 12.04 won't work and you'll need this Ubuntu Secure remix or at least the

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Installing Ubuntu on a machine with Windows 9

2013-01-06 Thread Rowan Berkeley
On 06/01/2013 14:12, Simon Greenwood wrote: On 6 January 2013 12:07, Rowan Berkeley rowan.berke...@gmail.com mailto:rowan.berke...@gmail.com wrote: Compaq CQ58 Takes a mere Google to find http://orrinfox.deviantart.com/art/Ubuntu-12-10-x64-running-on-CQ58-340364493 so it's likely

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Installing Ubuntu on a machine with Windows 9

2013-01-06 Thread Rowan Berkeley
On 06/01/2013 14:12, Simon Greenwood wrote: On 6 January 2013 12:07, Rowan Berkeley rowan.berke...@gmail.com mailto:rowan.berke...@gmail.com wrote: Compaq CQ58 Takes a mere Google to find http://orrinfox.deviantart.com/art/Ubuntu-12-10-x64-running-on-CQ58-340364493 so it's likely

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Installing Ubuntu on a machine with Windows 9

2013-01-06 Thread Simon Greenwood
On 6 January 2013 12:29, Rowan Berkeley rowan.berke...@gmail.com wrote: On 06/01/2013 14:12, Simon Greenwood wrote: On 6 January 2013 12:07, Rowan Berkeley rowan.berke...@gmail.com wrote: Compaq CQ58 Takes a mere Google to find

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Installing Ubuntu on a machine with Windows 9

2013-01-06 Thread Rowan Berkeley
On 06/01/2013 14:39, Simon Greenwood wrote: On 6 January 2013 12:29, Rowan Berkeley rowan.berke...@gmail.com mailto:rowan.berke...@gmail.com wrote: On 06/01/2013 14:12, Simon Greenwood wrote: I would download the ISO and you can either burn it to DVD or create an bootable USB

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Installing Ubuntu on a machine with Windows 9

2013-01-06 Thread Simon Greenwood
On 6 January 2013 12:53, Rowan Berkeley rowan.berke...@gmail.com wrote: On 06/01/2013 14:39, Simon Greenwood wrote: On 6 January 2013 12:29, Rowan Berkeley rowan.berke...@gmail.com wrote: On 06/01/2013 14:12, Simon Greenwood wrote: I would download the ISO and you can either burn it

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Installing Ubuntu on a machine with Windows 9

2013-01-06 Thread Rowan Berkeley
On 06/01/2013 14:59, Simon Greenwood wrote: Check for any additional instructions on the original link and on the Sourceforge page. This is just something I found so I have no idea how it works. Well, I burned it, stuck it in, and tried to boot from it at start-up, but I ended up at the

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Installing Ubuntu on a machine with Windows 9

2013-01-06 Thread Barry Drake
On 06/01/13 14:28, Rowan Berkeley wrote: On 06/01/2013 14:59, Simon Greenwood wrote:Well, I burned it, stuck it in, and tried to boot from it at start-up, but I ended up at the same place: unable to load because of files missing or corrupted, or something identical in essence. So I guess I'm

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Installing Ubuntu on a machine with Windows 9

2013-01-06 Thread Rowan Berkeley
On 06/01/2013 17:02, Barry Drake wrote: On 06/01/13 14:28, Rowan Berkeley wrote: Well, I burned it, stuck it in, and tried to boot from it at start-up, but I ended up at the same place: unable to load because of files missing or corrupted, or something identical in essence. So I guess I'm

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Installing Ubuntu on a machine with Windows 9

2013-01-06 Thread Barry Drake
On 06/01/13 15:15, Rowan Berkeley wrote: Yup, I think so, I mean I've been into them a dozen times and I haven't seen anything that looks as helpful as that. When I started trying to do this, I found a chat forum where someone explained just how difficult it really is, though I can't find it

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Installing Ubuntu on a machine with Windows 9

2013-01-06 Thread Rowan Berkeley
On 06/01/2013 17:03, Barry Drake wrote: My gut feeling is that creating partitions etc is still not going to have any effect. My understanding of UEFI is that the BIOS monitors anything that is trying to install and rejects all bootable files unless they are signed in a way that allows

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Installing Ubuntu on a machine with Windows 9

2013-01-06 Thread Gordon Burgess-Parker
On 06/01/13 09:38, Rowan Berkeley wrote: No, it won't. That's probably because your Windows 8 machine has UEFI - aka secure boot. You need to disable secure boot before you can boot from anything other than the HDD... -- Registered Linux User no 240308 GBP's alternative

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Installing Ubuntu on a machine with Windows 9

2013-01-06 Thread Gordon Burgess-Parker
On 06/01/13 10:47, Gareth France wrote: And I find bottom posting extremely annoying. It means each post is slightly more long winded to reply to than the last. So I just follow the example of the previous poster. Then people need to SNIP. -- Registered Linux User no 240308 GBP's

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Installing Ubuntu on a machine with Windows 9

2013-01-06 Thread Rowan Berkeley
On 06/01/2013 18:50, Gordon Burgess-Parker wrote: On 06/01/13 09:38, Rowan Berkeley wrote: No, it won't. That's probably because your Windows 8 machine has UEFI - aka secure boot. You need to disable secure boot before you can boot from anything other than the HDD... -- Registered Linux

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Installing Ubuntu on a machine with Windows 9

2013-01-06 Thread Bill Baker
I did that. And I switched off the quick boot option in the Windows 8 Control Panel. too -- this is another essential which other sufferers might miss because it isn't part of the boot options. i think I did all the things recommended by those who say it should boot given these settings are

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Installing Ubuntu on a machine with Windows 9

2013-01-06 Thread Rowan Berkeley
On 06/01/2013 19:26, Bill Baker wrote: Rowan, at this point I would - *if my machine* - see if I could boot a gparted live disk or similar trash the disk. If you have a machine that should play [perhaps having backed up the w* elsewhere if really wanted and external disk available] but

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Installing Ubuntu on a machine with Windows 9

2013-01-06 Thread Barry Drake
On 06/01/13 19:32, Rowan Berkeley wrote: You mean, turn it into a 'naked computer', without any resident operating system at all. But the BIOS firmware is designed by Microsoft to prevent undesired operating system software from being loaded, and that would still be there, in ROM. Correct.

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Installing Ubuntu on a machine with Windows 9

2013-01-06 Thread Rowan Berkeley
On 06/01/2013 19:46, Barry Drake wrote: On 06/01/13 19:32, Rowan Berkeley wrote: You mean, turn it into a 'naked computer', without any resident operating system at all. But the BIOS firmware is designed by Microsoft to prevent undesired operating system software from being loaded, and that

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Installing Ubuntu on a machine with Windows 9

2013-01-06 Thread Bill Baker
On Sun, 2013-01-06 at 19:55 +, Rowan Berkeley wrote: On 06/01/13 19:32, Rowan Berkeley wrote: You mean, turn it into a 'naked computer', without any resident operating system at all. But the BIOS firmware is designed by Microsoft to prevent undesired operating system software from

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Installing Ubuntu on a machine with Windows 9

2013-01-06 Thread Phill Whiteside
The ongoing stuff with UEFI has the most recent update on the wiki here [1]. There are also discussions on the ubuntuforum [2] As with others, the proviso is that I haven't tried these methods, but both the wiki and forum thread seem to be well supported with updates (for the Wiki) and ongoing

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Installing Ubuntu on a machine with Windows 9

2013-01-06 Thread alan c
On 06/01/13 09:38, Rowan Berkeley wrote: I am still wrestling with it, actually, having acquired this machine only yesterday. I wasn't aware of how Windows have made it difficult to install anything else. Commiserations. May I respectfully suggest that you can do many others around you a

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Installing Ubuntu on a machine with Windows 9

2013-01-06 Thread Rowan Berkeley
On 06/01/2013 20:32, Phill Whiteside wrote: The ongoing stuff with UEFI has the most recent update on the wiki here [1]. There are also discussions on the ubuntuforum [2] As with others, the proviso is that I haven't tried these methods, but both the wiki and forum thread seem to be well

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Installing Ubuntu on a machine with Windows 9

2013-01-06 Thread Rowan Berkeley
On 06/01/2013 20:32, Phill Whiteside wrote: The ongoing stuff with UEFI has the most recent update on the wiki here [1]. There are also discussions on the ubuntuforum [2] As with others, the proviso is that I haven't tried these methods, but both the wiki and forum thread seem to be well