I've got my new Primetest 300 tester today. I was rather peeved to
discover is ONLY downloads via bluetooth. Having purchased a dongle it
refused to connect. The bluetooth manager would flash up a code for me
to use for a fraction of a second then tell me it had failed. I did some
digging and s
On Tue, 25 Nov 2014, Paul Sladen wrote:
> On Mon, 24 Nov 2014, Gareth France wrote:
> > Sounds good. The tricky bit is they seem to have encrypted the results
> There doesn't appear to be anything encrypted.
A newer '.sss' version (found packed inside a '.gar' container format)
does appear to ha
On Fri, 28 Nov 2014, Gareth France wrote:
> Doing the conversions on F3 01 90 B7 gives 4279 as expected
I pushed the script I have to github:
https://github.com/sladen/pat/blob/master/portableappliancetest.py
This fully decodes the file and validates the checksums (producing the
attached outpu
Being a PAT tester I know this of course. However I am using a couple of
websites to do the conversions while I'm figuring this out. Doing the
conversions on F3 01 90 B7 gives 4279 as expected however doing the same
to F3 01 48 ?? provides 21?? rather than the + we would expect. It
looks li
On Thu, 27 Nov 2014, Gareth France wrote:
> the hex seems different for each one which is strange.
The results are within 1% (std dev 0.5) and this is significantly
better than the +/-5% given in the specification for the Seaward PAT
testing units. The PAT tester is effectively a giant multi-mete
I'm still not getting predictable results with this. The 42.79 works
great but the 99.99 results don't co-operate. Also the hex seems
different for each one which is strange.
F3 01 48 79
F3 01 48 D8
F3 01 48 DB
F3 01 48 D6
F3 01 48 D9
F3 01 48 C0
F3 01 48 49
F3 01 48 9C
F3 01 48 C6
F3 01 48 D3
Now I'm with you! I have to say my programming is all rooted in basic. I
am stuck at a certain point and struggling to adjust the way I view
problems and their solutions. Until I started looking at this I had
never even attempted to input, manipulate or output anything more than
text files (csv
On Thu, 27 Nov 2014, Gareth France wrote:
> I really don't understand what you have done here.
> > >>F3 01 90 B7 - 42.79 - 0x90b7 & 0x7fff => 0x10b7 => 4279 decimal
> > >>F3 01 97 78 - 60.08 - 0x9778 & 0x7fff => 0x1778 => 6008 decimal
The two bytes we're interested in (0x90b7) together
Where did th 15 come from? 0x90b7 converts to 2487 according the the
webpage I am using. How do you get from 15 to 0x0001? Why does 15 also
convert to 0x?
0x90b7 >> 15 => 0x0001 => FAIL
0x4879 >> 15 => 0x => PASS
Where does 0x7fff come from? How do you get to 0x10b7? You are t
I really don't understand what you have done here.
On 27/11/14 11:52, Paul Sladen wrote:
The remaining fifteen lower bits converted to decimal match exactly:
> >>F3 01 90 B7 - 42.79 - 0x90b7 & 0x7fff => 0x10b7 => 4279 decimal
> >>F3 01 97 78 - 60.08 - 0x9778 & 0x7fff => 0x1778 => 6008 decima
On Thu, 27 Nov 2014, Gareth France wrote:
> The file we began looking at came from my old machine
> ... the basic structure remains the same.
> 01 looks like
0x01 is probably the number of samples that follow for that
particular test type (F3 "Earth Insulation") in this case.
> other one/two are
Correct, The format of the file appears to have evolved. The file we
began looking at came from my old machine which has now been sold. When
I started looking at this I did not have my new machines to hand though
the basic structure remains the same. Keep in mind the result on the old
machine w
On Thu, 27 Nov 2014, Gareth France wrote:
> Hex Result
> F3 01 48 79 - 99.99
> F3 01 90 B7 - 42.79 - 0x90b7 & 0x7fff = 0x10b7 = 4279 decimal
> F3 01 48 D8 - 99.99
> F3 01 48 DB - 99.99
> F3 01 48 DB - 99.99
> F3 01 48 D6 - 99.99
> F3 01 97 78 - 60.08 - 0x9778 & 0x7fff = 0x1778 = 60
I have confirmed the earth and insulation readings are indeed F2 and F3.
So far earth readings make sense but I just don't understand what is
going on with the insulation:
Hex Result
F3 01 48 79 - 99.99
F3 01 90 B7 - 42.79
F3 01 48 D8 - 99.99
F3 01 48 DB - 99.99
F3 01 48 DB - 9
Earth and insulation are two different tests. The insulation results on
the Supernova measure up to 99.99 Mohms. The fact it is reading above
the scale is relevant and important information. So the earth reading is
0.05 or 0.06 depending on which test you are looking at, the INSULATION
is GREAT
On Wed, 26 Nov 2014, Gareth France wrote:
> > f2 80 05 f3 4e 08 f6 80 49 00 08 f8 80 00 (Washing machine)
> > f2 80 06 f3 4e 08 f6 80 01 00 08 f8 80 00 (Fridge)
> IDEarth Insulation LoadLeakage Continuity Descript
> D7785 0.05>99.99 0.050.73(No
It is a bit more complex than testing an IEC lead many times. That won't
give all the results and there are a large combination of differing
settings within the tester.
The results you just plucked out are not correct, but they are damn
close! They should be:
ID Earth Insulation L
On Tue, 25 Nov 2014, Gareth France wrote:
> tell me where the numbers 0.06 and >99.99 are.
f2 80 05 f3 4e 08 f6 80 49 00 08 f8 80 00 (Washing machine)
f2 80 06 f3 4e 08 f6 80 01 00 08 f8 80 00 (Fridge)
If you know the numbers, they are easy to find. The top bit ('0x80')
is prob
I do need to get a larger job to work on yes but I don't usually
download this format and there isn't much work on right now. You say
nothing is encrypted but tell me where the numbers 0.06 and >99.99 are.
They should be attached to D7785 and D7786. I'm assuming the long string
yo have highligh
On Mon, 24 Nov 2014, Gareth France wrote:
> Sounds good. The tricky bit is they seem to have encrypted the results
There doesn't appear to be anything encrypted.
What's there *is*, is simply short-hand, much aking to how a human
would write down on paper (ticks and crosses) when doing the tests
Sounds good. The tricky bit is they seem to have encrypted the results
themselves.
On 24/11/14 17:52, Paul Sladen wrote:
On Mon, 24 Nov 2014, Gareth France wrote:
www.cliftonts.co.uk/SSS
the possibility of being given the design specs and signing a
non-disclosure agreement.
I wouldn't bother
On Mon, 24 Nov 2014, Gareth France wrote:
> www.cliftonts.co.uk/SSS
> the possibility of being given the design specs and signing a
> non-disclosure agreement.
I wouldn't bother waiting nor risk the complications arising from
signing an agreement. You're doing something for the purposes of
intero
I shared an example file in my initial post.
www.cliftonts.co.uk/SSS
However I am holding fire for the moment while I discuss with the
software designers the possibility of being given the design specs and
signing a non-disclosure agreement.
On 24/11/14 16:20, James Tait wrote:
-BEGIN P
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1
On 23/11/14 19:23, Gareth France wrote:
> It is readable, but no more so than if you just load it into perl
> using binmode. I'm currently struggling with identifying the
> different fields within the data. I've been plucking them out
> manually which
On 24 November 2014 at 08:03, Gareth France
wrote:
> I was led to believe by a rep of the company who makes these that this is
> not the case. He was happily discussing with my other companies who have
> done the same.
Can't he let you have a copy of the format specification then?
Colin
>
>
> O
Libre office doesn't seem to like it. Based on Alan Lord's comments I'm
going to give the company a ring and discuss it. I understand they can
reveal the format to me if I sign a non-disclosure agreement. I bet that
costs an arm and a leg though!
On 24/11/14 08:22, Simon Greenwood wrote:
On
On 24 November 2014 at 08:03, Gareth France
wrote:
> I was led to believe by a rep of the company who makes these that this is
> not the case. He was happily discussing with my other companies who have
> done the same.
>
>
Something just occurred to me about the format: it's quite possible that
i
I was led to believe by a rep of the company who makes these that this
is not the case. He was happily discussing with my other companies who
have done the same.
On 24/11/14 08:02, Alan Lord wrote:
On 22/11/14 22:12, Gareth France wrote:
So my question is this, how does one go about accessin
On 22/11/14 22:12, Gareth France wrote:
So my question is this, how does one go about accessing a file like this
when they do not know the format? I have worked with text based files,
CSV etc but never something which does not load in a text editor.
I'm sure you are already aware but just wan
The time and date is whenever the test was performed. I should imagine
there will be a lot of 'flags' Earth bond 25A yes, earth bond 10A no,
earth bond 100ma no, insulation test yes, visual pass, etc, etc. Plus
the actual figures recorded. I can download in multiple formats so I am
able to cros
On 23/11/14 18:21, Gareth France wrote:
Remember pass may be represented by a single letter or number (0 fail,
1 pass etc). The date was 03-JUN-14.
I01022S12111
H172008021S12111
I imagine the time and date is always 'NOW', as the results are intended
to be processed in real time.
It is readable, but no more so than if you just load it into perl using
binmode. I'm currently struggling with identifying the different fields
within the data. I've been plucking them out manually which is fine for
the first half then I find some of them are variable length and I have
no way o
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1
On 22/11/14 22:12, Gareth France wrote:
> I am a PAT tester and have found over my time in the role that the
> software is a total rip off! If you purchase a digital camera,
> scanner, webcam or anything else that interfaces with a PC you get
> the
It seems that it isn't a hex file as such but mostly is a readable text
file containing special characters which are not in the standard
keyboard layout. With regards to figuring out the values that change
there are several tests which are done and additional information needs
to be stored such
On 23 November 2014 at 00:26, Gareth France
wrote:
> I have already been peeking in hex editors. I have picked out 80% of the
> data and been able to read it into perl (since posting this). However I
> have noticed some characters which appear to act as boundries between
> certain fields which ar
I have already been peeking in hex editors. I have picked out 80% of the
data and been able to read it into perl (since posting this). However I
have noticed some characters which appear to act as boundries between
certain fields which are not in the standard ascii set, so I'll have
trouble eva
Ghex will show you what is in the file in hex and ascii format.
Tony
On 22 November 2014 at 22:12, Gareth France
wrote:
> I am a PAT tester and have found over my time in the role that the
> software is a total rip off! If you purchase a digital camera, scanner,
> webcam or anything else that i
On 22 November 2014 at 22:12, Gareth France
wrote:
> I am a PAT tester and have found over my time in the role that the
> software is a total rip off! If you purchase a digital camera, scanner,
> webcam or anything else that interfaces with a PC you get the software to
> make it go. Spend £1,000
I am a PAT tester and have found over my time in the role that the
software is a total rip off! If you purchase a digital camera, scanner,
webcam or anything else that interfaces with a PC you get the software
to make it go. Spend £1,000 on a PAT tester and you are then expected to
pay £300 on
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