Re: Should BusyBox and uClibc also make a "flag version" like Embedded Linux?

2010-11-13 Thread Denys Vlasenko
On Thursday 11 November 2010 23:34, Bradley M. Kuhn wrote: > Meanwhile, it seems from the discussion that a few BusyBox/uClibc > developers are mildly in favor of this idea, Those developers who aren't users don't know what is going on in the trenches. (Quite often, then don't realize this, and w

Re: Should BusyBox and uClibc also make a "flag version" like Embedded Linux?

2010-11-12 Thread Mark Brown
On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 04:01:08PM -0600, Rob Landley wrote: > On Thursday 11 November 2010 09:07:31 Mark Brown wrote: > > On Wed, Nov 10, 2010 at 04:04:06PM -0600, Rob Landley wrote: > > > Look: Linux has to deal with binary only modules, which the developers > > > hate. To compensate for this, th

Re: Should BusyBox and uClibc also make a "flag version" like Embedded Linux?

2010-11-11 Thread Bradley M. Kuhn
Thanks to all of you for this discussion. To be clear, I raised this issue only as a point of discussion for the community. I didn't intend to demand that a specific recommendation of any kind be followed. Rather, I was sharing some thoughts that came to my mind when I saw Tim Bird's "flag" sugge

Re: Should BusyBox and uClibc also make a "flag version" like Embedded Linux?

2010-11-11 Thread Rob Landley
On Thursday 11 November 2010 09:07:31 Mark Brown wrote: > On Wed, Nov 10, 2010 at 04:04:06PM -0600, Rob Landley wrote: > > Look: Linux has to deal with binary only modules, which the developers > > hate. To compensate for this, they go out of their way to avoid having a > > stable internal API (whi

Re: Should BusyBox and uClibc also make a "flag version" like Embedded Linux?

2010-11-11 Thread Rob Landley
On Thursday 11 November 2010 09:51:34 Jonathan Corbet wrote: > Hi, Rob, > > > Look: Linux has to deal with binary only modules, which the developers > > hate. To compensate for this, they go out of their way to avoid having a > > stable internal API (which could argualy be used as a copyright barri

Re: Should BusyBox and uClibc also make a "flag version" like Embedded Linux?

2010-11-11 Thread Mark Brown
On Wed, Nov 10, 2010 at 04:04:06PM -0600, Rob Landley wrote: > Look: Linux has to deal with binary only modules, which the developers hate. > To compensate for this, they go out of their way to avoid having a stable > internal API (which could argualy be used as a copyright barrier and thus >

Re: Should BusyBox and uClibc also make a "flag version" like Embedded Linux?

2010-11-10 Thread Rob Landley
No, they shouldn't. On Friday 05 November 2010 11:33:36 Bradley M. Kuhn wrote: > LWN.net wrote at 18:30 (EDT) on Thursday: > > As a result of discussions held at two recent embedded Linux summits > > (and reported back to the recent Kernel Summit), the [Linux] community > > has decided to identif

Re: Should BusyBox and uClibc also make a "flag version" like Embedded Linux?

2010-11-06 Thread Peter Korsgaard
> "Will" == Will Newton writes: Hi, Will> I'm not sure that there's quite the same need for flag versions. Will> Upgrading a kernel can cause lots of subtle changes in how the Will> system behaves and incur a lot of effort in updating out of tree Will> drivers, whereas swapping a new Bus

Re: Should BusyBox and uClibc also make a "flag version" like Embedded Linux?

2010-11-06 Thread Will Newton
On Fri, Nov 5, 2010 at 4:33 PM, Bradley M. Kuhn wrote: > LWN.net  wrote at 18:30 (EDT) on Thursday: >> As a result of discussions held at two recent embedded Linux summits >> (and reported back to the recent Kernel Summit), the [Linux] community >> has decided to identify specific kernel versions

Re: Should BusyBox and uClibc also make a "flag version" like Embedded Linux?

2010-11-05 Thread Denys Vlasenko
On Fri, Nov 5, 2010 at 5:33 PM, Bradley M. Kuhn wrote: > LWN.net  wrote at 18:30 (EDT) on Thursday: >> As a result of discussions held at two recent embedded Linux summits >> (and reported back to the recent Kernel Summit), the [Linux] community >> has decided to identify specific kernel versions

Re: Should BusyBox and uClibc also make a "flag version" like Embedded Linux?

2010-11-05 Thread Khem Raj
On Fri, Nov 5, 2010 at 9:33 AM, Bradley M. Kuhn wrote: > LWN.net  wrote at 18:30 (EDT) on Thursday: >> As a result of discussions held at two recent embedded Linux summits >> (and reported back to the recent Kernel Summit), the [Linux] community >> has decided to identify specific kernel versions

Should BusyBox and uClibc also make a "flag version" like Embedded Linux?

2010-11-05 Thread Bradley M. Kuhn
LWN.net wrote at 18:30 (EDT) on Thursday: > As a result of discussions held at two recent embedded Linux summits > (and reported back to the recent Kernel Summit), the [Linux] community > has decided to identify specific kernel versions as "flag versions" to > try to reduce "version fragmentation"