By Charles Etukuri 
                  Professor Omara Otunnu is the Chair of the United nations. Daily Monitor's Charles Etukuri talks to him on the nature of his work.
                  Q. You have engaged in human rights causes as a scholar and an advocate, by shaping policy and building structures and alliances through which to effect positive change in society. How important have these policies and structures been to the third world countries?
 
                  A. My work and ideas have had influence in both Developing countries and the Developed world. They have been channelled either indirectly through the global network of UNESCO Chairs in human rights or directly through bilateral partnerships that the UNESCO Chair in Comparative Human Rights has engaged in. Most of my work has been underpinned by an understanding that although we might be born in different circumstances, we all do share a common humanity.
 
                  With this guiding principle I have chosen over the past few years to put into practice the simple but profound ideals of human rights that are well summarised in Article 1 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, which states that: "All human beings are born free and equal in dignity and rights.and should act towards one another in a spirit of brotherhood."
 
                  The approach I have used to address issues of human rights and social justice and to inspire and build trust and international understanding between people of diverse backgrounds has been an ecumenical one informed by the notion of reciprocal learning, understanding and respect. The notion is based on a dual realisation. The first is that no nation is an island unto itself or has a monopoly on virtues or vices; and second, is that no civilisation can endure if/when built purely upon the growth of material power. Both these facts are perhaps best captured in the African ethics of umbantu (i.e. umutu ngumuntu ngabantu: we are what we are because of the way we treat or interact with one another).
 
                  Through that approach I have managed to achieve a number of things over the past years. Among these have been: a partnership with the African National Congress (ANC) of Nelson Mandela, linkage with the University of Fort Hare in South Africa; the award of the first UNESCO Chair in Human Rights in North America; the building of a vigorous outreach program that engages young students; called Student Ambassadors for Human Rights, the formation of a Coalition of Human Rights Organisation in New England; the signing of Agreement to further the friendship and to develop economic and trade relations between the State of Connecticut and the Eastern Cape Province of South Africa; and collaboration with various UNESCO Human Rights Chairs in every region of the world.
 
                  Q. Late last year, the California-based Friends for Peace in Africa organised the conference titled "Crisis in Northern Uganda" with support from the Toronto-based Acholi Diaspora Association. What was achieved in this conference?
 
                  A. Unfortunately or fortunately, I did not attend the meeting. I believe that the problems in Northern Uganda are national problems of human rights, and to approach them as though they were problems that only the people from that region should find solutions to them trivialises the tragedy that has been imposed on ordinary people in that region for more or less a generation. Moreover, the approach contributes to the fragmentation of Uganda along ethnic or even clan bases that has occurred in the past two decades or so.
 
                  Q. Government alleges that you misused China Keitetsi, a former child soldier to discredit your own Government in Uganda.
 
                  A. There is not a shred of truth to that allegation. However, it is true that I invited China Keitetsi who is internationally known as an advocate for the human rights of child soldiers to speak to a cross-section of American audiences about the tragedy of the militarism in Africa that is manifested itself in the phenomenon of child soldiers. It is also true that I very much admire Ms. Keitetsi for overcoming the trauma and near dehumanisation of her experiences as a child soldier and for dedicating herself to educate others about the phenomenon.
 
                      
                        Otunnu
                  I think the government of Uganda should have nothing to fear if it is serving the interests of its people, because in all her appearances, Ms. Keitetsi never bad-mouthed the government. All she did was to speak the truth about her personal experiences. The power of the truth she speaks often moves her audiences to tears.
 
                  I think we should all applaud her for her courage and strength to confront her traumatic experiences and for exposing to the larger world the debilitating suffering and denial of rights that child soldiers are often subjected to by various cynical and exploitative groups who do not care about the welfare of children except as means to facilitate their acquisition and maintenance of raw power.
 
                  Q. You were able to persuade your American university to help document and preserve the story of South Africans' uprising against apartheid - and to use it to expand human rights education. You helped make the struggle a living reality now why don't you use your expertise and ability to rally international forces, focus on the Northern war and help bring it to an end?
 
                  A. If I am asked to make a non-partisan contribution, I would be delighted to consider it. As I indicated earlier, my approach is ecumenical; which means that I cannot involve myself in any thing that is partisan and manipulated for political rather than human rights ends. The catastrophe in northern Uganda can be solved only if four basic conditions are met: first, the people of northern Uganda must be regarded as citizens of the country who are entitled to all the rights that citizens of the country are entitled to.
 
                  Second, the government must take seriously it primary duty to protect all Ugandans, including the people in northern Uganda. A government that cannot protect its citizens necessarily forfeits its claim to be in power. The tragedy in Uganda is that a government that has the capacity to invade and occupy a large part of the Congo (DRC) has failed to protect its own citizens against a group of people it has routinely asserted were a rug-tag group of thugs.
 
                  History teaches us, in the words of Mahatma Gandhi written in 1908, that: "Those who serve only their own interests will be ready to rob their own people after they have done with robbing others." Third, the war in Northern Uganda cannot come to an end unless there is a political will on both the part of the government and that of the rebels, to in good faith, seek peaceful solutions to essentially political problems. As long as both sides are militarist and have faith in only military solutions, viable peace cannot be achieved.
 
                  International support for ending the war cannot be a substitute for an affirmative political will especially on the part of the Government. The impression one gets from outside is that even at times when the Government has reluctantly agreed to exploring peaceful means through some form of negotiations of ending the war, it has been as a ploy to defeat the rebels rather than a means of serious dialogue to engage a rebel but nonetheless Ugandan group.
 
                  An important lesson from South Africa is that sometimes political leaders must rise about their parochial interests for the greater and common good of the nation. And fourth, a neutral arbiter and credible guarantor power must be employed to engage all the parties who have some legitimate interest in the situation in that part of the region.
 
                  Q. Uganda history of human right has been quite shacky and up-to-date the ghost of past regimes seems to haunt the current regime with accusations that it equally violates human rights. As a person who has had quite vast experience in this field what do you think is the best way forward for the country?
 
                  A. There must, first and foremost, be a dual commitment and consensus among all the populations of Uganda that human rights constitute a national priority; and that any undemocratic and illegitimate government that violates the rights of people without reasonable and effective avenues of redress must be made a pariah, as South Africa was during the apartheid era.
 
                  This would mean that everything done in Uganda would be subordinated to the achievement of human rights. Put differently, human rights would be regarded as a trump when determining competing national priorities. Second, the rule of law must be allowed to reign supreme and no repressive security and military organisations should be tolerated.
 
                  If the rule of law reigns supreme, it means that all individuals, no matter how powerful there are, would be subjected to the same treatment. Third, that the national destiny of the country should not be mortgaged for the survival in power of any single individual.
 
                  In other words, mechanisms and institutions must be put in place to ensure that no individual is indispensable to the welfare and destiny of the country. And fourth, petty; grand and systemic corruption; nepotism, ethnic chauvinism; and cronyism should be banished from the body politics of the country.
 
                  As a practical starting point to resolve the political impasse, there might be a need for reconciliation, along the lines pursued in South Africa; or a convention of an All-Party Convention, whose resolutions are sovereign and binding on all. The next step might be a formation of a government of national unity or a government of non-partisan people who should be charged with creating a stable environment.
 
 
 The Mulindwas Communication Group
"With Yoweri Museveni, Uganda is in anarchy"
            Groupe de communication Mulindwas
"avec Yoweri Museveni, l'Ouganda est dans l'anarchie"
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