Re: [uknof] Parental Controls - Who’s Responsible?

2019-04-24 Thread Scott Weeks
ve. scott --- n...@domino.org wrote: From: "Neil J. McRae" To: "uknof@lists.uknof.org.uk" , "sur...@mauigateway.com" Subject: Re: [uknof] Parental Controls - Who’s Responsible? Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2019 09:38:21 + Where do you get this surveil nonsense from

Re: [uknof] Parental Controls - Who’s Responsible?

2019-04-24 Thread Christian de Larrinaga
inline Neil J. McRae wrote: > Where do you get this surveil nonsense from? how is that linked? You are > trying to position your (religious?) ideology with something completely > unrelated, I'm struggling as to why?! > > Parents voted for a government with a manifesto to make it harder for porn

Re: [uknof] Parental Controls - Who’s Responsible?

2019-04-24 Thread Bruce, Paul
10:38 To: uknof@lists.uknof.org.uk; sur...@mauigateway.com Subject: Re: [uknof] Parental Controls - Who’s Responsible? Where do you get this surveil nonsense from? how is that linked? You are trying to position your (religious?) ideology with something completely unrelated, I'm struggling

Re: [uknof] Parental Controls - Who’s Responsible?

2019-04-24 Thread Neil J. McRae
Where do you get this surveil nonsense from? how is that linked? You are trying to position your (religious?) ideology with something completely unrelated, I'm struggling as to why?! Parents voted for a government with a manifesto to make it harder for porn to be made available to children (bot

Re: [uknof] Parental Controls - Who’s Responsible?

2019-04-24 Thread Christian de Larrinaga
This has been an interesting and educative thread. Is there any reason apart from cost and communication / training skills for ISPs to provide the frameworks to support their customers to self govern their family access? I've seen many organisations setup in the UK since the early 2000s with the

Re: [uknof] Parental Controls - Who’s Responsible?

2019-04-23 Thread Bill
The issues Paul talks about are societal ones. We are moving towards a point where all responsibility is removed. I think this deviates too far from the original topic. The most important part of this, according to many studies and psychologists is parental involvement, we should be talking to

Re: [uknof] Parental Controls - Who’s Responsible?

2019-04-23 Thread Scott Weeks
--- paul+uk...@mansfield.co.uk wrote: From: Paul Mansfield On Mon, 22 Apr 2019 at 23:12, Bill wrote: > Having said that we as a community should be helping them find > and use the tools needed to do this. ...but few parents are technically savvy enough to use them even if they wanted to. Thos

Re: [uknof] Parental Controls - Who’s Responsible?

2019-04-23 Thread Tony Finch
Paul Mansfield wrote: > > TL;DR: we can give the parents a great set of tools to control their > children's internal access, but few parents are technically savvy > enough to use them even if they wanted to. Those who do will fight > with their children due to false positive blocking, and be worn

Re: [uknof] Parental Controls - Who’s Responsible?

2019-04-23 Thread Paul Mansfield
On Mon, 22 Apr 2019 at 23:12, Bill wrote: > Having said that we as a community should be helping them find and use the > tools needed to do this. TL;DR: we can give the parents a great set of tools to control their children's internal access, but few parents are technically savvy enough to use t

Re: [uknof] Parental Controls - Who’s Responsible?

2019-04-23 Thread Bill
Hi Catalin, Your comments don’t only apply to technology, from my discussions with schools the issue you raise is across the board. Sent from my iPhone > On 23/04/2019, at 19:42, Catalin Dominte wrote: > > If I may interject here slightly. As a father myself, what I noticed is that > quite

Re: [uknof] Parental Controls - Who’s Responsible?

2019-04-23 Thread Catalin Dominte
If I may interject here slightly. As a father myself, what I noticed is that quite a lot of parents are under the impression that education happens only in school and after school clubs. Very few parents spend the required TIME to educate their children and explain to them the responsibility an

Re: [uknof] Parental Controls - Who’s Responsible?

2019-04-22 Thread Scott Weeks
--- b...@wjw.nz wrote: From: Bill We don’t need more rules and regulation we need more education. Yes! And this is where the gov't can help. They could create public service announcements, work groups, etc to reach out to the communities an

Re: [uknof] Parental Controls - Who’s Responsible?

2019-04-22 Thread Bill
As a parent, network engineer and techie. First and foremost protecting children Is the parents responsibility. Having said that we as a community should be helping them find and use the tools needed to do this. Even as a techie it wasn’t easy to ensure I can monitor what my kids are doing on

Re: [uknof] Parental Controls - Who’s Responsible?

2019-04-22 Thread Gareth Llewellyn
‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On Monday, April 22, 2019 10:31 AM, Hal Ponton wrote: > I’m talking about restricting what they can see online The first problem straight off the bat is that any tech ISPs put in place to restrict/protect children is/has been co-opted for general Internet censor

Re: [uknof] Parental Controls - Who’s Responsible?

2019-04-22 Thread Scott Weeks
--- n...@domino.org wrote: From: "Neil J. McRae" > On 22 Apr 2019, at 18:22, Scott Weeks wrote: > > No, you mentioned the government above. They DO NOT obviously > have a role to play here unless something illegal is going on. Something illegal is going on though isn’t it? -

Re: [uknof] Parental Controls - Who’s Responsible?

2019-04-22 Thread Neil J. McRae
> On 22 Apr 2019, at 18:22, Scott Weeks wrote: > > No, you mentioned the government above. They DO NOT obviously > have a role to play here unless something illegal is going on. Something illegal is going on though isn’t it? > Otherwise they should keep out as their decisions will hinder > f

Re: [uknof] Parental Controls - Who’s Responsible?

2019-04-22 Thread Scott Weeks
This plays right into government's hands like it's inevitable they will surveil/censor everything. For the sake of the children, of course. Oh yeah, terrorists, too... --- h...@buzcom.net wrote: From: Hal Ponton The legislation regarding Age Verification on

[uknof] Parental Controls - Who’s Responsible?

2019-04-22 Thread Hal Ponton
Hi All, The legislation regarding Age Verification online is due to come into force shortly. I’ve been doing some thinking around the subject, regarding where responsibility lies with protecting what children can view online. Having seen some discussion on Twitter its prompted me to write thi