[uknof] NETCONF&ANG and device health stats

2015-09-22 Thread James Bensley
Hi All, Those of you that use NETCONF and YANG (or something similar [1]), how are you (or are you not?) "managing" that process? Just pushing out config is the tip of the iceberg for most networks looking to automate operations... A classic example: I need to bring up a new eBGP session on a rou

Re: [uknof] NETCONF&ANG and device health stats

2015-09-22 Thread James Bensley
I forgot to say, I'm looking at vendor agnostic ways to approach this using open standards. Cheers, James.

Re: [uknof] NETCONF&ANG and device health stats

2015-09-22 Thread Rob Shakir
Hi James, First off, it’s really important to remember that NETCONF and YANG are just tools - they don’t make up a whole NMS, which is what I think you are trying to describe. YANG is a data modelling language that defines the schema for data of a device’s management plane; and NETCONF is one o

Re: [uknof] NETCONF&ANG and device health stats

2015-09-25 Thread James Bensley
On 25 September 2015 at 09:46, James Bensley wrote: > Cheers, > James. Got side tracked and never actually said, thanks for your time and input :) Cheers, James.

Re: [uknof] NETCONF&ANG and device health stats

2015-09-25 Thread James Bensley
On 23 September 2015 at 03:07, Rob Shakir wrote: > Hi James, > > First off, it’s really important to remember that NETCONF and YANG are just > tools - they don’t make up a whole NMS, which is what I think you are trying > to describe. YANG is a data modelling language that defines the schema for

Re: [uknof] NETCONF&ANG and device health stats

2015-09-25 Thread Nick Hilliard
On 25/09/2015 09:46, James Bensley wrote: > I'm looking to build a tool that is vendor agnostic Along the lines of e.g. https://github.com/spotify/napalm ? Nick

Re: [uknof] NETCONF&ANG and device health stats

2015-09-25 Thread James Bensley
On 25 September 2015 at 10:19, Nick Hilliard wrote: > On 25/09/2015 09:46, James Bensley wrote: >> I'm looking to build a tool that is vendor agnostic > > Along the lines of e.g. https://github.com/spotify/napalm > > ? > > Nick Hi Nick, I watched the Spotify talk at NANOG and that was one of th

Re: [uknof] NETCONF&ANG and device health stats

2015-09-25 Thread Neil J. McRae
> Agreed, networks are so far behind server and application development > and automation in my opinion. Whilst I have seen a dozen presentations > from operators or hosting providers, content providers etc on how they > have automated zero-touch-provisioning or automated service > deployment, thes

Re: [uknof] NETCONF&ANG and device health stats

2015-09-25 Thread Nick Hilliard
On 25/09/2015 14:14, Neil J. McRae wrote: > On the network side each individual atom is simple enough to automate > (but rarely provides any value) but the area we have completely failed > as an industry is pulling those atoms together as a set of services or a > capability outcome, mostly down to

Re: [uknof] NETCONF&ANG and device health stats

2015-09-25 Thread Rob Shakir
On September 25, 2015 at 15:45:16, Nick Hilliard (n...@foobar.org) wrote: > it's easy enough to complain about tools and constructs not being there, > but there's another fundamental problem, namely that the config semantic > requirements of the network are complicated relative to the simplicity

Re: [uknof] NETCONF&ANG and device health stats

2015-09-25 Thread Neil J. McRae
That's why we need to take this back from the vendors so that we don't have that mess - or atleast less mess - oh and no openconfig support then your kit won't be deployed into the network - great news on Junipers work - they have really got this and are doing a great job. Sent from my iPhone