Re: Control characters (was: furigana etc.)

2000-07-07 Thread Edward Cherlin
At 4:11 PM -0400 7/4/00, John Cowan wrote: >On Mon, 3 Jul 2000, Edward Cherlin wrote: > > > *Some* computer system designers, noticing > > that the demands of printing terminals were not requirements on > > system file internals, chose to use either CR alone or LF alone for > > line or paragraph e

Re: Control characters

2000-07-07 Thread Edward Cherlin
At 11:00 AM -0800 7/6/00, jgo wrote: > > John Cowan wrote: > >> On Wed, 2000-07-05, john wrote: > >>> John Cowan wrote: > >>> IIRC, the Model 37 Teletype interpreted 0A as a newline function, Sorry, YDNRC. > >> Also models 33 and 38, which also interpreted x0D as carriage return. > > > Definitel

Re: FW: A question about charset

2000-07-07 Thread Mark Davis
We are gradually moving our pages to UTF-8 as we update them. Secondly, UTF-8 is recommended for web pages over UTF-16. Thirdly, you are always better off explicitly declaring a charset in all web pages. "Magda Danish (Unicode)" wrote: > > -Original Message- > From: munzir obeid [mailto:

Re: Difference between EM QUAD and EM SPACE

2000-07-07 Thread Michael \(michka\) Kaplan
A fun book idea "Every Character Has a Story: The Unicode Saga" Kind of a historical supplement to the Unicode Standard! michka - Original Message - From: "Markus Scherer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Unicode List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, July 07, 2000 5:35 PM Subject: Re: Di

Re: Difference between EM QUAD and EM SPACE

2000-07-07 Thread Rick McGowan
Markus wrote: > Kenneth Whistler wrote: > > Another installment in the ongoing saga: Every Character Has a Story. [...] > it also seems that a small group of people remember these "stories" > and would need to be the ones collecting them :-} [...] > this would be a great service! Well wait a dar

Re: Difference between EM QUAD and EM SPACE

2000-07-07 Thread Markus Scherer
Kenneth Whistler wrote: > Another installment in the ongoing saga: Every Character Has a Story. it seems important enough to document these "stories" of the characters where there is one: - source was... - included because of encoding in source... - duplicate because of oversight; source was...

RE: How-To handle i18n when you don't know charset?

2000-07-07 Thread Leon Spencer
When I store my iso-8859-1 data to my MS SQL db, I can query it and it shows up as expected. When I go to read it with another software component, the components read '?' instead of 'ç'. I can't figure out why. The software component that reads from the database is a Java application with a def

RE: XML, HTML and unicode

2000-07-07 Thread Mike Brown
Ranganathan wrote: > I wrote a small XML. I am reading the XML from a html > file and populating the "span id" > [...] > The XML file contains characters for all languages [...] > I saved the xml file in unicode format. I have included > charset as utf-8 in the html file. The html file is able

RE: How-To handle i18n when you don't know charset?

2000-07-07 Thread Mike Brown
11digitboy wrote, in a gratuitously quoted contribution: > > > > Now you take the case of my friend M. LebÅ"uf, > [...] > Over here, his name looks like garbage. > What is that? Ell ee bee something something you > eff. The message headers on his email included: Content-Type: text/plain; charset

RE: Difference between EM QUAD and EM SPACE

2000-07-07 Thread Kenneth Whistler
Donald Figge noted: > > An EM QUAD is a square [space] with sides equal to the point size of the > font. An EM SPACE is a horizontal measure, usually equal to the side of an > em quad. In condensed fonts, the em space is sometimes smaller than that, > for aesthetic and readability reasons. In ex

RE: Difference between EM QUAD and EM SPACE

2000-07-07 Thread John Hudson
At 02:51 PM 07-07-00 -0800, Figge, Donald wrote: >An EM QUAD is a square [space] with sides equal to the point size of the >font. An EM SPACE is a horizontal measure, usually equal to the side of an >em quad. In condensed fonts, the em space is sometimes smaller than that, >for aesthetic and read

Re: Difference between EM QUAD and EM SPACE

2000-07-07 Thread John Hudson
At 02:32 PM 07-07-00 -0800, Patrick Andries wrote: >Could someone explain to me what is the difference between an EM QUAD and an >EM SPACE ? In typography, an em equals the full height of the type body at a given size, so for 12 point type the em equals 12 points. An em quad is a square of -- e.

Re: Difference between EM QUAD and EM SPACE

2000-07-07 Thread John Cowan
On Fri, 7 Jul 2000, Patrick Andries wrote: > Could someone explain to me what is the difference between an EM QUAD and an > EM SPACE ? They are canonically equivalent, so no Unicode-conformant process should treat them differently in any way. EM SPACE is preferred. Ditto with EN QUAD and EN SPA

Re: Difference between EM QUAD and EM SPACE

2000-07-07 Thread Kenneth Whistler
Patrick Andries asked: > Could someone explain to me what is the difference between an EM QUAD and an > EM SPACE ? Effectively, there is none. The encoding of both was the result of an unfortunate misunderstanding during the development of Unicode 1.0. The EM QUAD and EN QUAD derive from XCCS

RE: Difference between EM QUAD and EM SPACE

2000-07-07 Thread Figge, Donald
An EM QUAD is a square [space] with sides equal to the point size of the font. An EM SPACE is a horizontal measure, usually equal to the side of an em quad. In condensed fonts, the em space is sometimes smaller than that, for aesthetic and readability reasons. In expanded fonts, the em space may b

Re: Difference between EM QUAD and EM SPACE

2000-07-07 Thread Rick McGowan
> Could someone explain to me what is the difference between an > EM QUAD and an EM SPACE ? Best guess?? An EM SPACE takes up the space of an "em". The em quad, on the other Hand Consistently Energizes the space of em-squared. Rick

Difference between EM QUAD and EM SPACE

2000-07-07 Thread Patrick Andries
Could someone explain to me what is the difference between an EM QUAD and an EM SPACE ? Patrick Andries Dorval (Québec)

FW: A question about charset

2000-07-07 Thread Magda Danish (Unicode)
  -Original Message-From: munzir obeid [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Sunday, July 02, 2000 11:12 AMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: A question about charset Dear Sirs, I noticed in your  What is Unicode? page that you use the charset UTF-8 where as in your other pages windows-1252. Wi

XML, HTML and unicode

2000-07-07 Thread Magda Danish (Unicode)
  -Original Message-From: P Ranganathan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2000 1:49 AMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: problem with unicode Hi,    I wrote a small XML. I am reading the XML from a html file and populating the "span id" by reading certain elements from X

Corel Draw/Ms Office

2000-07-07 Thread Magda Danish (Unicode)
  -Original Message-From: neil [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Tuesday, July 04, 2000 5:48 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Help Hi, I have created a font of my own handwriting and would like it to have the ability for me to type also in modern Greek. I created the font using Corel Dr

FW: Use of Unicode in Oracle Database

2000-07-07 Thread Magda Danish (Unicode)
-Original Message- From: Choudur, Chandrasekhar (CAP, GECF, Japan) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2000 9:57 PM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: Use of Unicode in Oracle Database I have requirement to use multiple languages including Japanese, Chinese, Korean, Arab

Re: How-To handle i18n when you don't know charset?

2000-07-07 Thread 11digitboy
-- Robert Lozyniak Accusplit pedometer, purchased about 2000a07l01d19h45mZ, has NOT FLIPPED My page: http://walk.to/11 [EMAIL PROTECTED] - email (917) 421-3909 x1133 - voicemail/fax "Michael \(michka\) Kaplan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I would not say that override should be impossibl

Re: How-To handle i18n when you don't know charset?

2000-07-07 Thread Michael \(michka\) Kaplan
I would not say that override should be impossible. I was merely saying that if the given charset is specified and is correct, and you change it to something invalid then it is their fault if the results are bad. michka - Original Message - From: "Jonathan Rosenne" <[EMAIL PROTECTED

RE: How-To handle i18n when you don't know charset?

2000-07-07 Thread Jonathan Rosenne
Unfortunately, there are many Hebrew pages wrongly marked as 8859-1, and many more unmarked. So letting the user override the charset specification is necessary. I was told similar situations are known in Russia and Greece. Jony > -Original Message- > From: Antoine Leca [mailto:[EMAIL

Re: Japanese pronunciation of hex digits?

2000-07-07 Thread Peter_Constable
>If he was to use those IPA characters, how would >he type them? With an IPA input method, of course. (That was easy!) Hopefully by the end of the year such will be available from SIL's site. (We have one there now, but it's for a custom 8-bit encoding.) - Peter

Re: How-To handle i18n when you don't know charset?

2000-07-07 Thread Michael \(michka\) Kaplan
> Now you take the case of my friend M. Lebœuf, whom > name includes a character not easily available in common > charsets, trying to answer such a form included in a > iso-8859-1 html page... I am not sure he will appreciate > to see his name considered as garbage... Ah, this is why UTF-8 can be

Re: How-To handle i18n when you don't know charset?

2000-07-07 Thread Antoine Leca
Michael Kaplan wrote: > > > My experimentation indicated that if the user did not have their browser > > set to auto-select encoding, or if they manually overrode the encoding > > selection, the form data would be sent in whatever they had chosen, > > regardless of what charset may be in the > .