Re: Recent Threats

2002-02-28 Thread Doug Ewell
David Hopwood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: d is just a glyph variant of t. Encot︀e it as t VS1. ;-) d is just t plus U+3099 (゙). Isn't that right, ろ ろ〇〇〇? -Doug Ewell Fullerton, California

Re: Theban alphabet?

2002-02-28 Thread Doug Ewell
David Starner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There is a full proposal for the Theban alphabet at: http://tuxedo.org/~esr/unicode/theban/. Has anyone here ever seen it? It doesn't show on the Unicode website, even in the Yeah, right listing of scripts. Gods help me if I should ever have to

Re: ISO 3166 (country codes)- it rocks, it moves

2002-02-28 Thread Tex Texin
And if nothing else, this long thread shows that when we decide to do this right we shouldn't use an alphabetic scheme. The tendency to desire a vanity code that is both mnemonic and has only a positive association (if any) is too destabilizing. Not to mention it potentially irritates all the

Re: Standard Conventions and euro

2002-02-28 Thread Michael Everson
At 00:53 -0500 2002-02-28, Tex Texin wrote: I believe Portuguese Escudos are done this way, with the $ as decimal separator Portuguese escudos no longer exist Apple's pre-euro formatting for Portugal gives 1 234,56$ with space as the thousands separator and dollar sign as a currency sign A

Re: ISO 3166 (country codes)- it rocks, it moves

2002-02-28 Thread John Cowan
Tex Texin scripsit: (Why is Algeria DZ?) I don't know the specific reason, but the Al- part is just the Arabic article, so DZ (3-letter version DZA) probably refers to what is written g in English and French. Make 'em all digits so (almost) nobody cares about their code, and be done with

Re: ISO 3166 (country codes)- it rocks, it moves

2002-02-28 Thread Patrick Andries
Tex Texin wrote: Plus, since we tend to end up with most codes being mnemonic, we get errors when software or web developers just guess the code will be menmonic. (Why is Algeria DZ?) For the same reason a Qatari TV station is called Al-Djazeera : a few islands in front of Algiers. The

Re: Theban alphabet?

2002-02-28 Thread Lars Marius Garshol
* Doug Ewell | | Gods help me if I should ever have to distinguish between THEBAN | LETTERS O and R in free text Talk about spoof buddies Yikes Bytext seems to have succeeded in coining a term, if nothing else :-) -- Lars Marius Garshol, Ontopian URL: http://wwwontopianet ISO

Re: Standard Conventions and euro

2002-02-28 Thread Peter_Constable
On 02/28/2002 04:09:33 AM Michael Everson wrote: At 00:53 -0500 2002-02-28, Tex Texin wrote: I believe Portuguese Escudos are done this way, with the $ as decimal separator. Portuguese escudos no longer exist. Perhaps not as physical currency, but they sure do still exist in data, and will

Re: Standard Conventions and euro

2002-02-28 Thread Michael Everson
At 08:26 -0600 2002-02-28, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Portuguese escudos no longer exist. Perhaps not as physical currency, but they sure do still exist in data, and will continue to exist in data until the Apocalypse. When is that scheduled to occur? -- Michael Everson *** Everson Typography

RE: Standard Conventions and euro

2002-02-28 Thread jarkko . hietaniemi
When we run out of the 64-bit Unicode code point space? -Original Message- From: ext Michael Everson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2002 09:51 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Standard Conventions and euro At 08:26 -0600 2002-02-28, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Re: Standard Conventions and euro

2002-02-28 Thread Alain LaBonté 
A 14:51 2002-02-28 +, Michael Everson a écrit : At 08:26 -0600 2002-02-28, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Portuguese escudos no longer exist. Perhaps not as physical currency, but they sure do still exist in data, and will continue to exist in data until the Apocalypse. When is that scheduled

Re: Standard Conventions and euro

2002-02-28 Thread Tex Texin
Michael Everson wrote: At 08:26 -0600 2002-02-28, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Portuguese escudos no longer exist. Perhaps not as physical currency, but they sure do still exist in data, and will continue to exist in data until the Apocalypse. When is that scheduled to occur? And how

Re: Standard Conventions and euro

2002-02-28 Thread John Cowan
Michael Everson wrote: At 08:26 -0600 2002-02-28, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Perhaps not as physical currency, but they sure do still exist in data, and will continue to exist in data until the Apocalypse. When is that scheduled to occur? If the First Person of the Trinity won't tell the

Re: Theban alphabet?

2002-02-28 Thread starner
Gods help me if I should ever have to distinguish between THEBAN LETTERS O and R in free text. Talk about spoof buddies. Yikes. I don't think it's any worse than CHEROKEE LETTERS E and SV. Speaking of which, I believe someone here mentioned they'd like to get a look at Zapf's Cherokee font.

Re: Standard Conventions and euro

2002-02-28 Thread Tex Texin
Michael Everson wrote: At 00:53 -0500 2002-02-28, Tex Texin wrote: I believe Portuguese Escudos are done this way, with the $ as decimal separator. Portuguese escudos no longer exist. Apple's pre-euro formatting for Portugal gives 1 234,56$ with space as the thousands separator and

Re: Standard Conventions and euro

2002-02-28 Thread Michael Everson
At 12:37 -0500 2002-02-28, Tex Texin wrote: My understanding is that there are no firm rules for formatting currency in euros and that it is expected that the formats or practices used prior to the change to euros would continue with the euro symbol repacing the old currency So I guess I should

Re: ISO 3166 (country codes)- it rocks, it moves

2002-02-28 Thread Tex Texin
Make 'em all digits so (almost) nobody cares about their code, and be done with it. Well, ISO 3166 does record numerical codes as well for users who want them, particularly people who don't use the Latin script. I didn't see this on their web site. Is this available online? --

Re: Theban alphabet?

2002-02-28 Thread Kenneth Whistler
Michael, At 23:27 -0600 2002-02-25, David Starner wrote: There is a full proposal for the Theban alphabet at: http://tuxedoorg/~esr/unicode/theban/ Has anyone here ever seen it? It doesn't show on the Unicode website, even in the Yeah, right listing of scripts I certainly remember

Need a quick font? make your own!

2002-02-28 Thread Barry Caplan
This is pretty interesting. Is it art, is it a toy? Make your own TT fonts created by a genetic algorithm! http://alphabet.tmema.org/ Best Regards, Barry Caplan www.i18n.com - coming soon, preview available now News | Tools | Process for Global Software Team I18N

Re: Theban alphabet?

2002-02-28 Thread Michael Everson
Ken, At 23:27 -0600 2002-02-25, David Starner wrote: There is a full proposal for the Theban alphabet at: http://tuxedoorg/~esr/unicode/theban/ Has anyone here ever seen it? It doesn't show on the Unicode website, even in the Yeah, right listing of scripts I certainly remember

Re: ISO 3166 (country codes)- it rocks, it moves

2002-02-28 Thread Tex Texin
Thanks to you and John for replying. I was really asking a rhetorical question but appreciate having the answer. tex Patrick Andries wrote: Tex Texin wrote: Plus, since we tend to end up with most codes being mnemonic, we get errors when software or web developers just guess the code

Re: ISO 3166 (country codes)- it rocks, it moves

2002-02-28 Thread Michael Everson
At 12:47 -0500 2002-02-28, Tex Texin wrote: Well, ISO 3166 does record numerical codes as well for users who want them, particularly people who don't use the Latin script I didn't see this on their web site Is this available online? An unofficial version which may disclaimercontain

Re: ISO 3166 (country codes)- it rocks, it moves

2002-02-28 Thread Kenneth Whistler
Tex, From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thu Feb 28 10:36:02 2002 Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 12:47:16 -0500 X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: ISO 3166 (country codes)- it rocks, it moves Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-archive-position: 1888

Re: ISO 3166 (country codes)- it rocks, it moves

2002-02-28 Thread John Cowan
Tex Texin wrote: Well, ISO 3166 does record numerical codes as well for users who want them, particularly people who don't use the Latin script. I didn't see this on their web site. Is this available online? Snarkily, the new 3166 web site doesn't make these codes available. An old version

Re: ISO 3166 (country codes)- it rocks, it moves

2002-02-28 Thread Tex Texin
Thanks Ken, Of course I believe you. If I trust Unicode with the numbering of 94,000+ characters, why wouldn't I trust you with a handful of country codes? ;-) Actually, the their web site referred to the ISO 3166 site. But its good to know I can get this on the Unicode site. tex Kenneth

Re: Need a quick font? make your own!

2002-02-28 Thread $B$m!;!;!;!;(B $B$m!;!;!;(B
This is pretty interesting. Is it art, is it a toy? Make your own TT fonts created by a genetic algorithm! http://alphabet.tmema.org/ It appears to have a severe limitation in that characters with multiple strokes are prohibited. All in all, the characters look more like squiggles than like

Re: Standard Conventions and euro

2002-02-28 Thread Asmus Freytag
At 05:44 PM 2/28/02 +, Michael Everson wrote: At 12:37 -0500 2002-02-28, Tex Texin wrote: My understanding is that there are no firm rules for formatting currency in euros and that it is expected that the formats or practices used prior to the change to euros would continue with the euro

Re: Standard Conventions and euro

2002-02-28 Thread Peter_Constable
On 02/28/2002 08:51:14 AM Michael Everson wrote: Perhaps not as physical currency, but they sure do still exist in data, and will continue to exist in data until the Apocalypse When is that scheduled to occur? Not sure, but book your table at Milliways now! - Peter

Re: ISO 3166 (country codes) Maintenance Agency Web pages move

2002-02-28 Thread Timothy Partridge
John Cowan recently said: Just how old are house numbers, anyway? Not the *concept* of numbering houses (which seems to be 18th century), but actual unaltered house numbers? Anyone know? I would imagine they are relatively stable Property boundaries can be very long lived, since unless you

General question: unicode verification test script

2002-02-28 Thread Magda Danish (Unicode)
-Original Message- Date/Time:Thu Feb 28 18:27:50 EST 2002 Contact: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Report Type: General question -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- Magda: Are you still at the Consortium? If you are I have a quick question. Is there a unicode verification

RE: ISO 3166 (country codes) Maintenance Agency Web pages move

2002-02-28 Thread Yves Arrouye
I'm confused. Do you mean meaningless identifiers? They look meaningless to me. House numbers in North America (and in France also, it seems) have a few bits of meaning: the least-significant (numeric) bit tells you which side of the street the house is on, and it's often the case that you

Re: Theban alphabet?

2002-02-28 Thread Curtis Clark
At 11:01 AM 2/28/02, Michael Everson wrote: I said that we'd need evidence written up He did provide me some arguments on the line of if you write ABRACADABRA in Latin it doesn't work, but if you write it in Theban it has power which is, indeed, a plain text differentiation :-) The word

Re: Theban alphabet?

2002-02-28 Thread Curtis Clark
At 10:13 AM 2/28/02, Kenneth Whistler wrote: It sounds to me that if Eric Raymond wants to pursue this, he needs to get his act together (and maybe some Wiccans to support him) to actually update and submit the proposal to the committees This Wiccan says it's a cipher -- Curtis Clark

RE: Standard Conventions and euro

2002-02-28 Thread Yves Arrouye
Perhaps not as physical currency, but they sure do still exist in data, and will continue to exist in data until the Apocalypse. When is that scheduled to occur? [Alain] Very simple: « la semaine des quatre jeudis » (the week of the 4 Thursdays, as we say in French). And the exact day

Re: Theban alphabet?

2002-02-28 Thread Rick McGowan
Curtis Clark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 10:13 AM 2/28/02, Kenneth Whistler wrote: It sounds to me that if Eric Raymond wants to pursue this, he needs to get his act together (and maybe some Wiccans to support him) to actually update and submit the proposal to the committees. This Wiccan

Re: Initials

2002-02-28 Thread Vladimir Ivanov
Title: הודעה  Many thanks to all of you for discussion of this topic. It gave some planned results, like better understanding of syntax of the initials in English. It also gave some unexpected but very valuable and interesting results, like the way the initials are read in Herbrew, or that