Re: Unicode in email

2002-05-29 Thread Otto Stolz
Tay, William wrote: Can an email address contain any Unicode characters? Why and what protocol support make it possible, or not? Cf. http://www.zvon.org/tmRFC/RFC2047/Output/index.html. Best wishes, Otto Stolz

Re: Normalisation and font technology

2002-05-29 Thread Juliusz Chroboczek
JH Apple recently started applying normalisation to file names in Mac JH OS X, with the result that the content of folders can now only be JH correctly displayed with fonts that contain the necessary AAT JH table information That's very surprising. Especially considering the excellent job they

Fwd: Re: Language name questions

2002-05-29 Thread Misha . Wolf
I can't see this in the archive, so it may not have made it to the unicode list (as Petra isn't a member?). Misha - Forwarded by Misha Wolf/LON/GB/Reuters on 29/05/2002 14:15 -

Re: Normalisation and font technology

2002-05-29 Thread Mark Davis
I don't know any of the details, but if they decided to store font names in NFD, it would still be possible to NFC the text before it goes into a rendering engine; while that step is not free, compared to rendering costs it is pretty trivial. An even better solution would be to use whichever

Re: Normalisation and font technology

2002-05-29 Thread Juliusz Chroboczek
JJ and that AAT data in the fonts is respected by the Finder, even JJ for PUA characters. I can name a file in Pollard if I like, so JJ long as an appropriate font is present. A Unicode string is a finite sequence of 16-bit values the interpretation of which is determined by the font currently

3 big bidi bugs

2002-05-29 Thread Bernard Miller
This letter describes 3 major technical problems with the current Unicode bidirectional algorithm as described in UAX #9, version 3.20. Problems 1 and 3 have security implications. Other problems with the whole Unicode bidirectional encoding approach, and their solutions, are discussed in the

Re: Normalisation and font technology

2002-05-29 Thread John Hudson
At 05:39 5/29/2002, John H. Jenkins wrote: Well, and it's not the way we'd like things to be either. We hope to address this in a future release of the OS. To keep things in perspective, however, bear in mind that it's now possible to have file names which are up to 255 UTF-16 units long

Re: Normalisation and font technology

2002-05-29 Thread John H. Jenkins
On Wednesday, May 29, 2002, at 10:55 AM, John Hudson wrote: In particular, I think it is is mistake to resolve display of character-level decompositions by relying on the presence of glyph-space substitution or positioning features in fonts, simply because most users have very few fonts

Unicode vs Code pages

2002-05-29 Thread Chris Kavanagh
Hello, Please pardon my ignorance on the subject ... I was wondering if someone could direct me to some (highly) technical documentation of how code pages work, in particular to Windows systems? I want to research/understand,exactly why there is still a need for code pages given the

Japanese sites with shift-jis

2002-05-29 Thread Amruthavakkula, Malini (CORP,Consultant)
Hi All, we are in the process of launching a website in Japanese. We are using charset in all our ASP pages to shift-jis. Data insertion and retrieval goes fine, but the regular string function are not giving proper results with the data inserted in database. We use oracle8i with

Re: Unicode vs Code pages

2002-05-29 Thread Michael \(michka\) Kaplan
Chris, There are two important reasons why code pages are still needed: 1) Many applications do not yet support Unicode, and those applications still need to work properly (imagine trying to sell an OS where your favorite apps would not install and run?). 2) Many people with whom you may want

Re: Unicode vs Code pages

2002-05-29 Thread Stefan Persson
First of all, Unicode itself is a code page. Support for other code pages is usuallythere for backwards compatibility. Stefan - Original Message - From: Chris Kavanagh To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: den 29 maj 2002 19:24 Subject: Unicode vs Code pages Hello,

Re: Normalisation and font technology

2002-05-29 Thread John Hudson
At 10:24 5/29/2002, John H. Jenkins wrote: In particular, I think it is is mistake to resolve display of character-level decompositions by relying on the presence of glyph-space substitution or positioning features in fonts, simply because most users have very few fonts that are capable of

Why isnt the posting address on the list?

2002-05-29 Thread Theodore H. Smith
Its very frustrating to reply to this list if you can't remember the address. Why isn't the reply address, the posting address? People when they reply to the list digest, do not want to send commands to the processor. They want to reply to the email. So whoever is responsible, please just add

How is UTF8, UTF16 and UTF32 encoded?

2002-05-29 Thread Theodore H. Smith
I need to know exactly how UTF8, UTF16 and UTF32 is encoded. I heard that UTF32 can have surrogates, so I can't just expect them to be scalar values. Having a nice detailed and clear explanation would help, with plenty of examples and effects of the encoding and all kinds of things to make it

Re: Unicode vs Code pages

2002-05-29 Thread John Cowan
Michael \(michka\) Kaplan scripsit: 1) Many applications do not yet support Unicode, and those applications still need to work properly (imagine trying to sell an OS where your favorite apps would not install and run?). But this does not apply to Windows CE, surely, where apps must be at

UniCode website is confusing

2002-05-29 Thread Theodore H. Smith
I find the unicode website very confusing. Is it that to get any useful non confusing information, we have to buy your huge book? What with all the addendums, addendums to addendums and addendums to addendums to addendums, crossings out, etc etc. It becomes impossible to work out what you are

FW: Web Form: General question

2002-05-29 Thread Magda Danish (Unicode)
-Original Message- Date/Time:Mon May 27 20:58:22 EDT 2002 Contact: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Report Type: General question Text of the report is appended below: -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- When I use an editor(written by Python language) in Pc(Windows 2000),

Re: Japanese sites with shift-jis

2002-05-29 Thread Peter Linsley
Malini, There is no difference between Oracle on NT and Oracle on Solaris as far as database character encoding support is concerned. It would be interesting to know more about your scenario such as where the string manipulation functions are being called etc. For more information take a look

Re: Why isnt the posting address on the list?

2002-05-29 Thread John Hudson
At 05:04 5/29/2002, Theodore H. Smith wrote: Its very frustrating to reply to this list if you can't remember the address. Why isn't the reply address, the posting address? People when they reply to the list digest, do not want to send commands to the processor. They want to reply to the email.

Re: Japanese sites with shift-jis

2002-05-29 Thread Shigé Takeda
Hi Malini, You might have to set the Force to return SQL_WCHAR for ADO/ODBC connection. http://otn.oracle.com/products/oracle8i/htdocs/faq_combined1.html#ado It would be best for you to set NLS_LANG to .UTF8 for ASP node. Thanks, -- Shigé Takeda Oracle Corporation -

Re: Normalisation and font technology

2002-05-29 Thread Aki Inoue
John, Let me add a few more points to John Jenkins' comment. As John mentioned, we're working on to add the character space processing capability to the OS. In fact, Cocoa framework, one of the two primary APIs in Mac OS X, can already handle most of the combining marks pretty reasonably

Re: FW: Web Form: General question

2002-05-29 Thread John Hudson
At 11:58 5/29/2002, Magda Danish (Unicode) wrote: -Original Message- Date/Time:Mon May 27 20:58:22 EDT 2002 Contact: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Report Type: General question Text of the report is appended below: -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- When I use an

Re: How is UTF8, UTF16 and UTF32 encoded?

2002-05-29 Thread i18nGuy Tex Texin
See http://www.unicode.org/reports/tr19/ for utf-32 description. The Unicode standard is online, you can find the descriptions of utf-8, utf-16 in there. http://www.unicode.org/unicode/uni2book/u2.html hth tex Theodore H. Smith wrote: I need to know exactly how UTF8, UTF16 and UTF32 is

Re: 3 big bidi bugs

2002-05-29 Thread Timothy Partridge
Bernard Miller recently said: This can be fixed by rewording step L2 such that a reversal happens from the highest embedding level to each lower contiguous embedding level, regardless if the embedding level is represented by a character on the line, until the embedding level of 1 is reached

RE: Japanese sites with shift-jis

2002-05-29 Thread Amruthavakkula, Malini (CORP,Consultant)
Hi Takeda, We did set nls_lang=UTF8, but still we have problem. But does string function,server.HTMLencode work with Japanese charcters? -Original Message- From: Shigé Takeda [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2002 4:03 PM To: Amruthavakkula, Malini (CORP,Consultant);

Re: Normalisation and font technology

2002-05-29 Thread John Hudson
At 12:42 5/29/2002, Aki Inoue wrote: As John mentioned, we're working on to add the character space processing capability to the OS. In fact, Cocoa framework, one of the two primary APIs in Mac OS X, can already handle most of the combining marks pretty reasonably well without the help from

Re: [OpenType] Normalisation and font technology

2002-05-29 Thread John Hudson
At 12:55 5/29/2002, John M. Fiscella wrote: I would go further than that: if the font contains *any* properly named composite glyph, that it should be used in place of a base glyph + combining mark glyph representing normalized text, *even if the composite glyph is not encoded in Unicode/10646*.

RE: [OpenType] Normalisation and font technology

2002-05-29 Thread John Hudson
The quoting in the previous message wasn't very good, and it may not have been clear who wrote what. John Fiscella wrote: I would go further than that: if the font contains *any* properly named composite glyph, that it should be used in place of a base glyph + combining mark glyph

Re: Why isnt the posting address on the list?

2002-05-29 Thread Stefan Persson
- Original Message - From: John Hudson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Theodore H. Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: den 29 maj 2002 21:45 Subject: Re: Why isnt the posting address on the list? Use the 'Reply to All' function in your mailer. This will add *both* the address to

Re: Normalisation and font technology

2002-05-29 Thread John H. Jenkins
On Wednesday, May 29, 2002, at 01:57 PM, John Hudson wrote: Thank you. My main concern was that someone might think that this is a reasonable model for handling this, and it wasn't immediately clear that Apple did not consider this, in fact, to be an appropriate long term solution. Hm.

Re: Why isnt the posting address on the list?

2002-05-29 Thread Sarasvati
Theodore H. Smith asked: Why isn't the reply address, the posting address? Please see for example... http://www.unicom.com/pw/reply-to-harmful.html This feature will not be changed. -- Sarasvati