Re: click bang

2002-08-02 Thread James H. Cloos Jr.
> "Tex" == Tex Texin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Tex> I find it very amusing for some reason to think that !! Tex> represents a click followed by a bang. Tex> Now if we just had a character to represent an ominous pause to Tex> go in between... hair space? Nah. Clearly that would be the s

Re: "Missing character" glyph- example

2002-08-02 Thread Martin Kochanski
Periphrasis is always possible, of course; but that doesn't mean that it is desirable. 1. Periphrasis is by definition longer. In a page where you want to present a lot of information and not have it squeezed out by meta-information, the first paragraph in my example could read "Seeing things

Re: "Missing character" glyph

2002-08-02 Thread Martin Kochanski
It would be a nice way to address the issue. In an ideal world, every computer would have a "last resort" font so that it can *always* find a glyph for a particular codepoint, and there would then be no need for any glyph that says "sorry, can't display". I think you will probably agree that a

Re: "Missing character" glyph

2002-08-02 Thread Martin Kochanski
Well... 1. Since all existing fonts already display the new character correctly, there would be no overwhelming need for any font designer to alter any font at all. If they choose, despite this, to copy their own interpretation of 'missing character' from Glyph ID zero into the new slot, this

Re: "Missing character" glyph

2002-08-02 Thread John H. Jenkins
On Friday, August 2, 2002, at 01:24 AM, Martin Kochanski wrote: > 1. Since all existing fonts already display the new character > correctly, there would be no overwhelming need for any font designer > to alter any font at all. If they choose, despite this, to copy their > own interpretation o

Unicode??

2002-08-02 Thread Felipe Boita
 Precisando desenvolver um projeto, localizei os caracteres de que necessito nas tabelas de código "Latin". Alguns deles estão na "Latin-1 Supplement", outros na "Latin Extened-A", outros na "Latin Extened-B" e outros na "Latin Extened Additional". Mas para utilizá-los, só é possível por "i

Digraphs as Distinct Logical Units

2002-08-02 Thread Sean B. Palmer
Hi all, I came across the following point in the Unicode FAQ that explains why the Unicode standard does not contain any characters for digraphs:- http://www.unicode.org/unicode/faq/ligature_digraph.html#3 I find the comments therein rather perplexing, especially seeing as how if the digraphic

Re: Digraphs as Distinct Logical Units

2002-08-02 Thread David Starner
At 09:17 PM 8/2/02 +0100, Sean B. Palmer wrote: >I find the comments therein rather perplexing, especially seeing as how if >the digraphic characters were in fact denoted by a singular new glyph, then >they would certainly have been included. Then it would be a new character. As it is, it's only

Re: "Missing character" glyph

2002-08-02 Thread Michael Everson
At 11:11 +0100 2002-08-01, Martin Kochanski wrote: >Otto Stolz suggested U+03A2, which would be equally valid. However, >U+03A2 is quite obviously the code for GREEK CAPITAL LETTER FINAL >SIGMA. Nope. Can't encode a nonexistent letter. Can encode ANYTHING WE WANT anywhere that's free. Them's

Re: "Missing character" glyph

2002-08-02 Thread Michael Everson
If anyone wants to represent fontless characters and uses anything other than a kind of Last Resort font they are being very silly in my view. OmniWeb and TextEdit handle these elegantly and helpfully. -- Michael Everson *** Everson Typography *** http://www.evertype.com

Re: "Missing character" glyph

2002-08-02 Thread Michael Everson
At 11:13 +0200 2002-08-01, Otto Stolz wrote: >I have selected U+03A2 with care: this code point covers the place >of a non-existing "Greek capital letter final sigma". I think that >this code-point -- while, admittedly, unsafe as any other unassigned >one -- is rather unlikely to get assigned a c

Re: Digraphs as Distinct Logical Units

2002-08-02 Thread Kenneth Whistler
> >Since there are 676 possible digraph combinations, > > Stop being so ethnocentric. The extended Latin alphabet alone is much > larger than 26 characters, and that ignores all the Cyrillic languages, > some of which were probably written with digraphs. And the problem doesn't stop with digraph

Re: Digraphs as Distinct Logical Units

2002-08-02 Thread John Hudson
At 04:19 PM 02-08-02, David Starner wrote: >Stop being so ethnocentric. The extended Latin alphabet alone is much >larger than 26 characters, and that ignores all the Cyrillic languages, >some of which were probably written with digraphs. And trigraphs and, in at least one Cyrillic transcription

Re: "Missing character" glyph

2002-08-02 Thread Kenneth Whistler
> Nope. Can't encode a nonexistent letter. Can encode ANYTHING WE WANT > anywhere that's free. Them's the rules. Oh, I don't know about that. How about U+1247, which by the structure of the table would be for ETHIOPIC SYLLABLE QWA (Q-WA), except that that value is already logically drained by

Re: Digraphs as Distinct Logical Units

2002-08-02 Thread John Hudson
At 04:48 PM 02-08-02, Kenneth Whistler wrote: >... and some extreme case >orthographies are known that employ up to *hepta*graphs! Ooo, I want one! Do you have any examples, Ken? John Hudson Tiro Typeworks www.tiro.com Vancouver, BC [EMAIL PROTECTED] Language must belong to

Re: Digraphs as Distinct Logical Units

2002-08-02 Thread Kenneth Whistler
> At 04:48 PM 02-08-02, Kenneth Whistler wrote: > > >... and some extreme case > >orthographies are known that employ up to *hepta*graphs! > > Ooo, I want one! Do you have any examples, Ken? If I recall correctly, that one was a technical orthography of Nama -- but I can't track down an online

Re: Making orthographies computer-ready

2002-08-02 Thread Peter_Constable
As I was saying about Hawaiian and 2-letter codes... - Forwarded by Peter Constable/IntlAdmin/WCT on 08/02/2002 03:24 PM - Håvard Hjulstad <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 08/02/2002 06:04 AM Please respond to havard                 To:        "IETF-languages list" <[

Re: Digraphs as Distinct Logical Units

2002-08-02 Thread David Starner
At 06:04 PM 8/2/02 -0700, Kenneth Whistler wrote: >In the meantime, for a sampler of some of the wild multigraphs >used in various orthographies for Khoi and San languages, try > >http://www.african.gu.se/khsnms.html > >Examples: "'//Ng" <-- there's a pentagraph for you. > >"//Kx'", "//Kh'" and s

ASCII punctuation as word-forming letters (was Re: Digraphs as DistinctLogical Units

2002-08-02 Thread Peter_Constable
On 08/02/2002 08:04:27 PM Kenneth Whistler wrote: >P.S. The San peoples are now apparently vigorously objecting >to being lumped with the Khoi peoples as "Khoisan". See: > >http://allafrica.com/stories/200104270244.html I noticed in the last sentence of the fourth paragraph, the line wrapped in

Re: Digraphs as Distinct Logical Units

2002-08-02 Thread Peter_Constable
On 08/02/2002 03:17:56 PM "Sean B. Palmer" wrote: >If anyone has any comments on this, or any references to previous >discussions, they would be gladly recieved. Any discussion of encoding Latin digraphs as units makes an unvalidated assumption that there is some benefit to be gained. We've gone