Re: Variation selector sequences for alternate glyphs. (derives from Re: variousstroked characters)

On 09/09/2002 08:20:41 AM "William Overington" wrote: >Would a variation selector sequence be something specified and encoded by >the Unicode Consortium or by some other standardization body or would it be >a matter for end users on much the same basis as Private Use Area allocation >please? V

RE: Latin vowels?

On 09/09/2002 02:43:52 AM Marco Cimarosti wrote: >1. List "Vowels" - probably not vowels: >U+212B # (Å) ANGSTROM SIGN Given that this is canonically equivalent with a-ring, does it make sense to consider one a vowel but the other not? - Peter --

Tech note on Installable Keyboard Layouts

I'm happy to report that the Apple tech note on installable keyboard layouts for Mac OS X 10.2 has been published: Tech Note 2056, Installable Keyboard Layouts http://developer.apple.com/technotes/tn2002/tn2056.html Please report any problems directly to me. Deborah Goldsmith Manager, Fonts &

Re: Why w and y are not vowels? [Was: Re: Latin vowels?]

Barry Caplan scripsit: > " I think that I shall never see > a Kogai lovely as a tree " In English, strict-meter poems depend on the number of syllables, where "syllable" is a very hard-to-define concept except that we know one when we see it, with some special cases like "flower", which can be o

Re: Why w and y are not vowels? [Was: Re: Latin vowels?]

At 04:37 PM 9/9/2002 -0400, John Cowan wrote: >> [Da][n] [Ko][ga][i], 5 Japanese Syllables, 3 English Syllables > >5 moras, 3 syllables, actually. A new vocabulary word for me, so I looked it up... >mo·ra >n. pl. mo·rae or mo·ras >The minimal unit of metrical time in quantitative verse, equal

Re: Why w and y are not vowels? [Was: Re: Latin vowels?]

Dan Kogai scripsit: > And how about an 'i' for "Linux"? A vowel ? or a diphthong? Only if you say "Lie-nux", in which case millions of Linn-ux and Lee-nux fans will do the nasty on you! :-) > [Da][n] [Ko][ga][i], 5 Japanese Syllables, 3 English Syllables 5 moras, 3 syllables, actually. --

Why w and y are not vowels? [Was: Re: Latin vowels?]

On Tuesday, Sep 10, 2002, at 01:56 Asia/Tokyo, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> glides, and GOK what else. Of course, Mark was only differentiating >> between "vowels" and "non-vowels," but that may not make things much >> easier; I still wouldn't know where to put English "y". > > Off-hand, it se

Re: Latin vowels?

Hi Phil. At 13:38 -0400 2002-09-09, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >And isn't W a vowel in English too? As in the word "few"? The thing is, vowels and consonants are spoken. Orthographies (alphabets and other kinds) may represent those with one-to-one, one-to-many, many-to-one, or many-to-many rela

Re: Latin vowels?

[EMAIL PROTECTED] scripsit: > Off-hand, it seems that in English "y" mostly* is [j] if in initial position, > otherwise it's either [i] or [ai]. So it's either one consonant, or one or two > vowels... English vocalic "y" is only [i] if it's final, with few exceptions ("machine", e.g.). Otherw

Re: Latin vowels?

And isn't W a vowel in English too? As in the word "few"? And even Websters 9th Collegiate (the closest dictionary I can pick up with one hand) lists "cwm" and "crwth" -- which have w as their only vowel. Phwl

RE: Latin vowels?

On Mon, 9 Sep 2002, Marco Cimarosti wrote: > Mark Davis wrote: >> 4. List "Nonvowels" - ambiguous letters that are probably vowels: >> U+0059 # (Y) LATIN CAPITAL LETTER Y >> U+0079 # (y) LATIN SMALL LETTER Y > > I would consider all these as vowels, although I know there is much room fo

RE: Latin vowels?

> glides, and GOK what else. Of course, Mark was only differentiating > between "vowels" and "non-vowels," but that may not make things much > easier; I still wouldn't know where to put English "y". Off-hand, it seems that in English "y" mostly* is [j] if in initial position, otherwise it's eith

Re: Latin vowels?

Patrick Andries scripsit: > I insist on the w^ in Chichewa which is, I believe, a consonant : a = > bilabial fricative. In Welsh, it's the vowel [u:]. So which wins, Welsh or Chichewa? -- John Cowanhttp://www.ccil.org/~cowan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please leave your values|

RE: Variation selector sequences for alternate glyphs. (derives from Re: various stroked characters)

William Overington wrote: > Would a variation selector sequence be something specified > and encoded by the Unicode Consortium [...]? Yes. See : "Only the variation sequences specifically defined in the Unicode Charac

RE: Latin vowels?

Patrick Andries wrote: > > - W and Y with typical vowel diacritics are almost certainly vowels. > > I insist on the w^ in Chichewa which is, I believe, a consonant : a > bilabial fricative. That's why I put it in my group 4: "ambiguous [...] probably vowels". But I guess that Chichewas could see

Re: Latin vowels?

Radovan Garabik understands: > Conclusion? It is pointless to talk about vowels and consonants, > if you are speaking about a _writing_ system (especially disregarding > the language it concerns). > Vowels and consonants make sense when speaking about pronunciation. Specifically, this highlight

Variation selector sequences for alternate glyphs. (derives from Re: various stroked characters)

Peter Constable kindly responded to my question in the original thread. >>Would the encoding that would be intended to be used in the long term use of Unicode be to use one of the characters from the range U+FE00 to U+FE0F following the main character code so as to indicate the glyph alternate?

RE: Latin vowels?

Mark Davis wrote: > Ah, now I understand the 'guilty' part. OK, now I feel relieved... > The UTC decided that rather than change the base rules in #29, it > would provide a prominent example of how those rules would be tailored > for French and Italian, citing those rules in that section. So for

Re: Latin vowels?

What I am doing is making a initial categorization based upon information I have ready to hand, then asking for other feedback. I have found that the best way to get feedback is to do a first cut -- that way people can concentrate on the more exceptional cases. I am, sadly, not omniscient, and do

Re: Latin vowels?

Ah, now I understand the 'guilty' part. The UTC decided that rather than change the base rules in #29, it would provide a prominent example of how those rules would be tailored for French and Italian, citing those rules in that section. So for that section, the only requirement is the set of lett

Re: Latin vowels?

   De: "Marco Cimarosti" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Mark Davis wrote:> > I need to get a list of Latin characters that are generally considered> > vowels. I partitioned the characters as in the list below, but there> > are lots of oddball ones for which I can only guess (LATIN CAPITAL> > LETTE

Re: Latin vowels?

A clarification of the work "generally"; I realize that what constitutes a vowel is heavily language-dependent. For example, "y", as has been pointed out, is a vowel in some languages, a consonant in others, and both (sometimes a vowel and sometimes a consonant) in others (e.g. English, Spanish).

RE: Latin vowels?

Radovan Garabik wrote: > Originally, of course, latin had only capital letters Well... This reminds me of people who say that language XYZ only has "one" gender. :-) I mean: if there was just one set of letters, how do you say they were "capitals" or not? Are Arabic letters capitals? Seriously s

Re: Latin vowels?

Radovan Garabik scripsit: > A bookcase full of old (~100 years) hungarian books has just got into > my posession. I noticed that "J" is there often used as a vowel > at the beginning of word before consonant (where modern hungarian has "I"). > However, before vowels, "J" stands for consonant /j/

Re: Latin vowels?

On Mon, Sep 09, 2002 at 11:43:52AM +0200, Marco Cimarosti wrote: > Mark Davis wrote: > > I need to get a list of Latin characters that are generally considered > > vowels. I partitioned the characters as in the list below, but there > > are lots of oddball ones for which I can only guess (LATIN CA

Re: Latin vowels?

At 00:32 -0400 2002-09-09, John Cowan wrote: >Mark Davis scripsit: > >> If someone familiar with any of the weirder creatures in the Unicode >> Latin Zoo could quickly scan the list over to see if there are any >> errors, I'd appreciate it. > >The following are not vowels. >The so-called OI is

RE: Latin vowels?

At 11:43 +0200 2002-09-09, Marco Cimarosti wrote: >Anyway, here are a few comments: > >1. List "Vowels" - probably not vowels: > U+00AA # (¬) FEMININE ORDINAL INDICATOR > U+00BA # (¬†) MASCULINE ORDINAL INDICATOR > U+2071 # (’ű) SUPERSCRIPT LATIN SMALL LETTER I Of course thes

RE: [OT] Spanish grammar (was Re: [q] Typesetting rules in Spanish)

Martin Kochanski wrote: > To expand: "su" can mean "his" "her" "their" as well as the > polite "your". In this context, "el marino, el hermano de su > madre" risks being felt as a complete phrase in itself (the > sailor, the brother of his mother), so you need "de usted" to > anchor it firmly

RE: Latin vowels?

Mark Davis wrote: > I need to get a list of Latin characters that are generally considered > vowels. I partitioned the characters as in the list below, but there > are lots of oddball ones for which I can only guess (LATIN CAPITAL > LETTER OU? LATIN LETTER WYNN?...). > > http://www.macchiato.com/

ISRISEO's being redone (Formerly: Re: ...has just been created!!)

Hello again, Doug and all Unicoders! After reading through your currnet response, I was thinking about your issue with ISRISEO: about the symbols (especially) within the 0×80-0×BF (=positions 128-191) subrange, I origianlly planned ISRISEO to be *closer to ISO 8859-3 (Latin-3)*—to have the charac