Re: Why w and y are not vowels? [Was: Re: Latin vowels?]

2002-09-10 Thread Peter_Constable
On 09/09/2002 02:17:55 PM Barry Caplan wrote: Mora sounds like jargon for a more specialized situation, unless I am missing something ... No, mora is a technical term used in phonological analysis. Japanese is a prime example of a language for which morae are key structural elements in the

Re: Why w and y are not vowels? [Was: Re: Latin vowels?]

2002-09-10 Thread Radovan Garabik
On Tue, Sep 10, 2002 at 05:11:24AM +0900, Dan Kogai wrote: As all English users know (with certain degrees of pain), you can't tell how you pronounce a given letter until you see the whole word or even the whole sentence. In that sense I doubt how relevant to categorize alphabets between

RE: Latin vowels?

2002-09-10 Thread Marco Cimarosti
Peter Constable wrote: On 09/09/2002 02:43:52 AM Marco Cimarosti wrote: 1. List Vowels - probably not vowels: U+212B # (Å) ANGSTROM SIGN Given that this is canonically equivalent with a-ring, does it make sense to consider one a vowel but the other not? I stand corrected. Somehow, I

Re: Latin vowels?

2002-09-10 Thread Radovan Garabik
On Mon, Sep 09, 2002 at 08:19:30PM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 09/09/2002 02:43:52 AM Marco Cimarosti wrote: 1. List Vowels - probably not vowels: U+212B # (Å) ANGSTROM SIGN Given that this is canonically equivalent with a-ring, does it make sense to consider one a vowel but

RE: Latin vowels?

2002-09-10 Thread Andrew C. West
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Off-hand, it seems that in English y mostly* is [j] if in initial position, otherwise it's either [i] or [ai]. So it's either one consonant, or one or two vowels... From a philological point of view, initial y in Modern English originally derives from a palatal g

RE: Latin vowels?

2002-09-10 Thread Marco Cimarosti
I wrote: Peter Constable wrote: On 09/09/2002 02:43:52 AM Marco Cimarosti wrote: 1. List Vowels - probably not vowels: U+212B # (Å) ANGSTROM SIGN Given that this is canonically equivalent with a-ring, does it make sense to consider one a vowel but the other not? I stand

Re: Latin vowels?

2002-09-10 Thread Peter_Constable
On 09/10/2002 01:10:19 AM Radovan Garabik wrote: ANGSTROM SIGN is a symbol. It is not meant to be pronounced, and if it is, it is pronounced something like IMHO /ɔŋʃtrom/ Now, that is neither vowel nor consonant, but a whole word :-) You might think so, but things aren't so simple. By analogy,

Re: ISRI SoEuro has just been created!!

2002-09-10 Thread Markus Scherer
Doug Ewell wrote: ... They are not necessarily intended to replace the established mechanisms, although I suspect the ICU team does intend BOCU to replace SCSU. ... Nope. They have different properties and are useful for different if overlapping applications. BOCU-1 was developed for