Two very simple principles can resolve this issue:
1. Encode text using characters that accurately carry the semantic meaning
of the text and which enable text standardised text processing functions
such as sorting, spellchecking and searching.
2. Display the text by selecting a font that provi
On Tue, Oct 29, 2002 at 08:53:59PM -0500, Jim Allan wrote:
> Using the Unicode method makes far more sense than creating fonts that
> work for particular languages only, provided no foreign words or names
> appear, or which require language tagging.
Why does the Unicode method exclude creating f
> Do we again need an intelligent font that understands language tagging?
This should be achievable with OpenType, no?
> Do we now have different flavors of Unicocde, one for English, one for
Icelandic, one for French, one for German ... ?
In most of the cases described be you, you can still hav
The Old Icelandic character ǫ (Unicode U+01ED: LATIN SMALL LETTER
O WITH OGONEK) is replaced in modern Icelandic by
ö.
Would it be proper therefore
to represent U+00F6, the code point which Marco Cimarosti wants to use for
o with circumflex e, also for o with ogonek?
In Icelandic they cou
On 10/29/2002 12:29:03 PM "William Overington" wrote:
>Surely the matter of ligatures
>would be a good topic upon which to conduct such a public review.
No, it would not.
- Peter
---
Peter Constable
Non-Roman Script Ini
At 16:34 10/29/2002, John Cowan wrote:
HEBREW MARK LOWER DOT: not needed, use generic U+0323 COMBINING DOT BELOW
I'm generally in agreement with John about using generic combining marks
when possible. From a font development perspective this can sometimes
create problems in multilingual fonts
[EMAIL PROTECTED] scripsit:
> Small Hebrew (Neo-Aramaic, Judeo-Tat, etc.)
> proposal ready for comments at given URL.
>
> Not finished, first viewing--Elaine
First cut:
HEBREW ACCENT COMBINING VERTICAL LINE: probably OK
HEBREW ACCENT ZINNORIT: probably OK
HEBREW ACCENT MAYELA: probably OK (nam
At 14:56 10/29/2002, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Is it complaint with Unicode to have a font where a-umlaut has a glyph of
a with e above? What about a glyph of a-macron (e.g. a handwriting font
for someone who writes a-umlaut that way)?
Yes, I would say that it is compliant with Unicode because t
Elaine Keown
Univ Massachusetts Amherst
Hello all:
Small Hebrew (Neo-Aramaic, Judeo-Tat, etc.)
proposal ready for comments at given URL.
Not finished, first viewing--Elaine
On Tue, Oct 29, 2002 at 09:07:16PM +0100, Marco Cimarosti wrote:
> Kent Karlsson wrote:
> > Marco,
>
> Keld, please allow me to begin with the end of your post:
I really have not contributed much to this thread, I think you mean
"Kent".
Best regards
keld
At 15:56 -0600 2002-10-29, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Is it complaint with Unicode to have a font where a-umlaut has a glyph of
a with e above? What about a glyph of a-macron (e.g. a handwriting
font for someone who writes a-umlaut that way)?
Of course it is. Glyphs are informative.
--
Michael Ev
>At 21:07 +0100 2002-10-29, Marco Cimarosti wrote:
>
>> > I'm sure Michael would agree too (at least I hope so), and many others.
>>
>>There are many Michaels and many "others" here... If any of them wish to
>>intervene, I hope they'll rather say something new to take the discussion
>>out of the l
At 13:27 -0800 2002-10-29, Kenneth Whistler wrote:
Michael asked:
My eyes have glazed over reading this discussion. What am I being
asked to agree with?
Here's the executive summary for those without the time to
plow through the longer exchange:
Marco: It is o.k. (in a German-specific conte
Michael asked:
> My eyes have glazed over reading this discussion. What am I being
> asked to agree with?
Here's the executive summary for those without the time to
plow through the longer exchange:
Marco: It is o.k. (in a German-specific context) to display
an umlaut as a macron (or a t
At 21:07 +0100 2002-10-29, Marco Cimarosti wrote:
> I'm sure Michael would agree too (at least I hope so), and many others.
There are many Michaels and many "others" here... If any of them wish to
intervene, I hope they'll rather say something new to take the discussion
out of the loop, rather
> Standard orthography, and orthography that someone may
>choose to use on a sign, or in handwriting, are often not
>the same.
If someone's writes an a-umlaut, no matter what it looks,
it should be encoded as an a-umlaut. That's the identity
of the character they wrote. I'm sure my German teache
Kent Karlsson wrote:
> Marco,
Keld, please allow me to begin with the end of your post:
>Marco, please calm down and reread every sentence of my
> previous message. You seem to have misread quite a few things,
> but it is better you reread calmly before I try to clear
> up any remaining mis
At 05:29 10/29/2002, William Overington wrote:
Also, it is a pity that this new era of Unicode glasnost (displayed with a
ligature? :-) ) comes so shortly after the last Unicode Technical
Committee meeting the minutes of which state the consensus about no more
ligatures being added to the U+FBx
Marco,
Standard orthography, and orthography that someone may
choose to use on a sign, or in handwriting, are often not
the same.
And I did say that current font technologies (e.g. OT)
does not actually do character to character mappings,
but the net effect is *as if* they did (if, and I h
William Overington
wrote:
> I do note however that review 3 refers to a document which is only
> available to Unicode Consortium members, which seems a strange thing
> if views of interested individuals are being sought.
I agree.
> Also, it is a pity that this new era of Unicode glasnost (displ
Kent Karlsson wrote:
> > The claim was that dieresis and overscript e are the same
> in *modern*
> > *standard* German. Or, better stated, that overscript e is
> > just a glyph
> > variant of dieresis, in *modern* *standard* German typeset
> in Fraktur.
>
> Well, we strongly disagree about that
At 23:21 -0800 2002-10-28, Barry Caplan wrote:
Do we have codepoints for images found on the walls of caves?
No. The closest we come to that is wondering about the Tartaria
"proto-script", which we haven't readmapped.
--
Michael Everson * * Everson Typography * * http://www.evertype.com
At 06:30 + 2002-10-29, William Overington wrote:
Readers interested in internationalization using Unicode might like to know
that I have recently added some documents about the comet circumflex system
to the web.
Well I'll be gobsmacked. What supreme piffle. And set in SIZE=5 too.
"See with
Doug Ewell wrote as follows.
[snip]
>Right off the bat, though, I thank the UTC for initiating this "public
>review" process which allows non-members like me to get their two cents
>in regarding Unicode policies. (Hmm, two American-specific figures of
>speech in one sentence -- perhaps it should
No links to give, just a note to warn you
that VB itself converts text that it puts into the RichEdit control from Unicode
when it assigns the text.
Technically the control supports Unicode
since its interfaces are Unicode. but this conversion does limit the text that
can be supported.
William Overington scripsit:
> Oh, that is interesting. So what exactly is the public consultation about
> deprecating the plane 14 language tags about? If the Unicode Technical
> Committee decided to deprecate the plane 14 language tags, what would be the
> effect of that decision?
"Deprecated
> -Original Message-
> From: Marco Cimarosti [mailto:marco.cimarosti@;essetre.it]
> Sent: den 28 oktober 2002 16:23
> To: 'Kent Karlsson'; Marco Cimarosti
> Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: Character identities
>
>
> Kent Karlsson wrote:
> > > > For this reason it is quite impermissib
Hi Friends ,
I have to display Unicode on RIchEdit control of VB6. Can you help me how to display the unicode in VB application . If possible give me the references and links.
Thanks
Nandlal
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> Unicode captures the ice-age during the global warming era!
>
> Do we have codepoints for images found on the walls of caves?
>
> :)
CRO-MAGNON PAINTING HUMAN SPEARING A MAMMOTH
CRO-MAGNON PAINTING MAMMOTH STOMPING A HUMAN
...
John Cowan commented.
>William Overington scripsit:
>
>> It seems to me that deprecating these language tags might be a bad thing
as
>> the language tags could well have potential use in plain text files on
the
>> DVB-MHP (Digital Video Broadcasting - Multimedia Home Platform) platform
in
>> order
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