Re: [Way OT] Beer measurements (was: Re: Handwritten EURO sign)

2003-08-18 Thread Doug Ewell
Ted Hopp ted at newslate dot com wrote: Shouldn't a pint of beer be administratively fixed at 500 mL, just as a fifth of liquor in America is now officially 750 mL? Seems like a good task for an ISO working group. Egads! THAT would be enough to drive a person to drink. Thus promoting

RE: Handwritten EURO sign (off topic?)

2003-08-18 Thread Jill . Ramonsky
For what it's worth, in America, you spell it meter; in England, you spell it metre. Jill -Original Message- From: Philippe Verdy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, August 17, 2003 5:52 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Handwritten EURO sign (off topic?) SI units already have

Clones (was RE: Hexadecimal)

2003-08-18 Thread Jill . Ramonsky
All of this makes sense to me, apart from one or two tiny niggling points... I confess, I hadn't read ch14.pdf, and I probably should have done. My fault. But I still believe that there should be something in the machine-readable code charts themselves that says, of the Roman numerals, Don't use

Re: [Way OT] Beer measurements

2003-08-18 Thread Peter Kirk
On 17/08/2003 19:48, Doug Ewell wrote: Michael Everson everson at evertype dot com wrote: Yup. Hence also the Brit's complaint about the metric system: a liter of beer is too much, half a liter isn't enough, but a pint, ah, that's just right. The Imperial pint is .57 liters, whereas the

RE: [Way OT] Beer measurements

2003-08-18 Thread Jill . Ramonsky
Personally, I don't see why we have to sell beer (or anything else for that matter) in integer multiples of any kind of units at all. Why can't we just bring an arbitrarily sized, partially full, glass to the bar and say to the guy at the bar: Could you fill it up to about HERE please?. It's a

Re: [Way OT] Beer measurements

2003-08-18 Thread Peter Kirk
On 18/08/2003 04:06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Personally, I don't see why we have to sell beer (or anything else for that matter) in integer multiples of any kind of units at all. Why can't we just bring an arbitrarily sized, partially full, glass to the bar and say to the guy at the bar: Could

Re: Clones (was RE: Hexadecimal)

2003-08-18 Thread John Cowan
[EMAIL PROTECTED] scripsit: Don't use these characters - use the the normal Latin letters instead. That's essentially the implication of being a compatibility character. Secondly, I believe that the code charts SHOULD provide machine-readable information about the hexadecimal values of the

Vi problem

2003-08-18 Thread Stefan Persson
Hi! I am using Vi (version Vi IMproved 6.1) on Linux using UTF-8 (xterm -u8). If a UTF-8 characters does, when misinterpreted as Latin-1, contain a control character, that character is displayed as something different. For example, the Swedish capital Ä is displayed as a square box followed

Re: Clones (was RE: Hexadecimal)

2003-08-18 Thread Jim Allan
Jill Ramonsky posted: I would really like it if these, and every single other character which is only there for reasons of round trip compatibility with something else, were explicity marked in the machine-readable charts with something meaning Don't introduce this character, at all, ever. Don't

Re: Vi problem

2003-08-18 Thread Noah Levitt
Try running vim in a UTF-8 locale. $ LANG=en_US.UTF-8 vim Also, see :help termencoding. Noah On Mon, Aug 18, 2003 at 17:50:42 +0200, Stefan Persson wrote: Hi! I am using Vi (version Vi IMproved 6.1) on Linux using UTF-8 (xterm -u8). If a UTF-8 characters does, when misinterpreted as

Re: Clones (was RE: Hexadecimal)

2003-08-18 Thread Peter Kirk
On 18/08/2003 09:06, Jim Allan wrote: Jill Ramonsky posted: I would really like it if these, and every single other character which is only there for reasons of round trip compatibility with something else, were explicity marked in the machine-readable charts with something meaning Don't

Re: [OT] Beer measurements (was: Re: Handwritten EURO sign)

2003-08-18 Thread Philippe Verdy
From: Ted Hopp [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Sunday, August 17, 2003 10:48 PM, Doug Ewell wrote: Shouldn't a pint of beer be administratively fixed at 500 mL, 500 ml (lowercase for the official liter symbol) just as a fifth of liquor in America is now officially 750 mL? 750

FW: [I18NdotNET] Breaking free from UNICODE

2003-08-18 Thread Suzanne M. Topping
Thought you folks might be interested in this recent posting from another list. -Original Message- From: Kiran Vinjamuri [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2003 12:36 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [I18NdotNET] Breaking free from UNICODE Hi guys I am Working on a

RE Beer was handwritten Euro (way OT)

2003-08-18 Thread Karljürgen Feuerherm
John Cowan replied: Rick McGowan scripsit: Which explains to me why a pint of bitter in England seems quite so enormous... well for a small Yank... ;-) Yup. Hence also the Brit's complaint about the metric system: a liter of beer is too much, half a liter isn't enough, but a pint, ah, that's

Re: Vi problem

2003-08-18 Thread Edward H. Trager
Three points: (1) If you don't want to change the LANG setting, just setting LC_CTYPE=en_US.UTF-8 should be sufficient. (2) It also will likely be the case that the terminal under which you are running VIM also needs to have been started in a UTF-8 locale. Make sure that the

Re: Clones (was RE: Hexadecimal)

2003-08-18 Thread Jim Allan
Peter Kirk posted: It would be much simpler if each such character were clearly labelled in the code charts etc. DO NOT USE!, and with its glyph presented on a grey background or in some other way to indicate its special status. I don't think people should be told so directly to NOT use an

Re: Clones (was RE: Hexadecimal)

2003-08-18 Thread Peter Kirk
On 18/08/2003 11:32, Jim Allan wrote: Peter Kirk posted: It would be much simpler if each such character were clearly labelled in the code charts etc. DO NOT USE!, and with its glyph presented on a grey background or in some other way to indicate its special status. I don't think people

Re: Clones (was RE: Hexadecimal)

2003-08-18 Thread Rick McGowan
Someone suggested... It would be much simpler if each such character were clearly labelled in the code charts etc. DO NOT USE!, and with its glyph presented on a grey background or in some other way to indicate its special status. Well, sure, I agree that it might be nice to somewhere

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Re: [OT] Beer measurements (was: Re: Handwritten EURO sign)

2003-08-18 Thread John Cowan
Philippe Verdy scripsit: Egads! THAT would be enough to drive a person to drink. Do you mean drunk here? At least that person should not be authorized to drive after 66 cl (or two 33cl bottles), Drive [someone] to drink means frustrate or annoy [someone] sufficiently that he

Re: [bidi] Re: Unicode Collation Algorithm: 4.0 Update (beta)

2003-08-18 Thread Mark Davis
I'm sorry that you haven't gotten responses before. I have searched through my email archive, and can't find anything like the message, and I don't think it was brought up to the UTC formally. The first one seems odd, and as you say, it would seem to only affect a vanishingly small number of

Re: [bidi] Re: Unicode Collation Algorithm: 4.0 Update (beta)

2003-08-18 Thread Peter Kirk
On 18/08/2003 13:36, Mark Davis wrote: I'm sorry that you haven't gotten responses before. I have searched through my email archive, and can't find anything like the message, and I don't think it was brought up to the UTC formally. The first one seems odd, and as you say, it would seem to only

Re: Clones (was RE: Hexadecimal)

2003-08-18 Thread Jim Allan
Peter Kirk posted: Well, that's what was puzzling me about the recommendations not to use these characters. In my opinion, there needs to be a clear statement with each character definition (not somewhere in the text not linked to it) of its status in such respects. Is it for compatibility use