RE: LETTER OWL, COMBINING SEAGULL...

2004-06-11 Thread jarkko.hietaniemi
What next? http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/3775799.stm Why, LETTER COLLIE, COMBINING PANT, of course: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/3794079.stm

PUA - (was: Re: Bantu click letters)

2004-06-11 Thread Christopher Fynn
D. Starner wrote: John Cowan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: We must be talking past one another somehow, but I don't understand how. To represent the text as originally written, I need a digital representation for each of the characters in it. Since all I want to do is reprint the book -- I don't

Medieval CJK race-horse names (was Re: Bantu click letters )

2004-06-11 Thread Andrew C. West
On Fri, 11 Jun 2004 03:04:17 +0100, Michael Everson wrote: How many people use medieval CJK race-horse-name characters? Actually, the famous Song dynasty female poet Li Qingzhao (1084-c.1151) invented a board game (da3 ma3 tu2 in Chinese) which involved racing around a course in which each

Re: Bantu click letters

2004-06-11 Thread James Kass
-- Original message from Anto'nio Martins-Tuva'lkin : -- On 2004.06.10, 17:11, I wrote: U+0251 U+0361 U+0302 U+028A as given by BabelMap+Code2000 (see attached) is not productively different from U+0251 U+0302 U+0361 U+028A (see attached)... Now attached.

Rendering of sequences containing double diacritic (was Re: Bantu click letters)

2004-06-11 Thread Bob_Hallissy
On 11/06/2004 14:39:48 James Kass wrote: -- Original message from Anto'nio Martins-Tuva'lkin : -- On 2004.06.10, 17:11, I wrote: U+0251 U+0361 U+0302 U+028A as given by BabelMap+Code2000 (see attached) is not productively different from U+0251 U+0302 U+0361 U+028A

Shavian (was: Re: Bantu click letters)

2004-06-11 Thread Anto'nio Martins-Tuva'lkin
On 2004.06.11, 06:25, Doug Ewell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I concede that Androcles and the Lion was the only book published in Shavian Check http://katalogo.uea.org/index.php?inf=5522 for one more. At least its last chapter is fully in shavian script; shavian letters are introduced gradually

RE: Bantu click letters

2004-06-11 Thread Peter Constable
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of James Kass U+0251 U+0361 U+0302 U+028A as given by BabelMap+Code2000 (see attached) is not productively different from U+0251 U+0302 U+0361 U+028A (see attached)... Following the inside-out rule, the

Re: Rendering of sequences containing double diacritic (was Re: Bantu click letters)

2004-06-11 Thread James Kass
Bob Hallissy wrote, Even with OpenType experimental support here, my display looks like the GIF you sent. I'll try fixing this, Um, good luck. I am not sure it is possible to correctly position double-diacritics with OpenType logic. Specifically, the vertical position of the

Re: Medieval CJK race-horse names (was Re: Bantu click letters )

2004-06-11 Thread John Jenkins
On Jun 11, 2004, at 6:44 AM, Andrew C. West wrote: Depite the oft-mentioned cutesy Hong Kong race horse names, idiosyncratic invented Han ideographs are a negligible component of the encoded CJK repertoire. In my opinion there are thousands, possibly tens of thousands, of ideographs that should

Re: Rendering of sequences containing double diacritic (was Re: Bantu click letters)

2004-06-11 Thread James Kass
The inside-out rule is explained and illustrated on page 125 (TUS 4.0). An a followed by combining umlaut followed by combining macron is not the same as a plus combining macron plus combining umlaut. Hmmm. Further on the inside-out rule. Note the following pairs, which are supposed

Re: Proposal to encode dominoes and other game symbols

2004-06-11 Thread Jonathan Coxhead
(This message is now late and may be untimely. Apologies if so.) It is odd to me that most of the examples shown of plain text use of the domino symbols and playing card symbols are from contexts which are demonstrably through-and-through *rich text*---they are HTML web pages! Here is a

Re: Rendering of sequences containing double diacritic (was Re: Bantu click letters)

2004-06-11 Thread John Hudson
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Even with OpenType experimental support here, my display looks like the GIF you sent. I'll try fixing this, Um, good luck. I am not sure it is possible to correctly position double-diacritics with OpenType logic. Specifically, the vertical position of the

RE: Rendering of sequences containing double diacritic (was Re: Bantu click letters)

2004-06-11 Thread Peter Constable
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of James Kass Not sure what you are saying here or what you mean by the inside-out rule. The two sequences are canonically equivalent and should look identical. The inside-out rule is explained and illustrated on page 125 (TUS

RE: Rendering of sequences containing double diacritic (was Re: Bantu click letters)

2004-06-11 Thread Peter Constable
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of James Kass Hmmm. Further on the inside-out rule. Note the following pairs, which are supposed to be in UTF-8: aÌÌ^ aÌ^Ì uÌÌ^ uÌ^Ì [Why isn't UTF-8 coming through as such?] The first a with combiners isn't displaying

RE: Rendering of sequences containing double diacritic (was Re: Bantu click letters)

2004-06-11 Thread James Kass
Peter Constable wrote, Don't forget canonical equivalence (I forgot about this as well): the double-width diacritics have a combining class of 234 rather than 230. This means that 0251 0361 0302 028A is canonically equivalent to 0251 0302 0361 028A. Therefore, the first (for better or

RE: Rendering of sequences containing double diacritic (was Re: Bantu click letters)

2004-06-11 Thread Kenneth Whistler
Peter Constable wrote, Don't forget canonical equivalence (I forgot about this as well): the double-width diacritics have a combining class of 234 rather than 230. This means that 0251 0361 0302 028A is canonically equivalent to 0251 0302 0361 028A. Therefore, the first (for better or

Re: Rendering of sequences containing double diacritic (was Re: Bantu click letters)

2004-06-11 Thread Peter Kirk
On 11/06/2004 10:51, James Kass wrote: ... Doesn't this mean that it isn't possible to stack a combining circumflex above a combining spanning inverted breve? Does this mean we'd need double-wide clones of all the combining marks in order to support such combos? Sounds like the same problem

Re: Medieval CJK race-horse names (was Re: Bantu click letters )

2004-06-11 Thread John Jenkins
On Jun 11, 2004, at 1:20 PM, Kenneth Whistler wrote: It would have been nice if a better mechanism for expressing Han glyphic (and other types of) variants had been feasible and in place before CJK Extension B went in, but that is water under the bridge now. One can only hope that some restraint

Re: Medieval CJK race-horse names (was Re: Bantu click letters )

2004-06-11 Thread Kenneth Whistler
On Jun 11, 2004, at 6:44 AM, Andrew C. West wrote: Depite the oft-mentioned cutesy Hong Kong race horse names, idiosyncratic invented Han ideographs are a negligible component of the encoded CJK repertoire. In my opinion there are thousands, possibly tens of thousands, of

Mail list policy update

2004-06-11 Thread Sarasvati
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Re: Medieval CJK race-horse names (was Re: Bantu click letters )

2004-06-11 Thread Simon Montagu
John Jenkins wrote: And the proper solution for the race horse problem is for the People's Hong Kong Jockey Club to refuse to let a horse race unless its name is in Unicode. :-) Wouldn't that be like putting the cart before the horse?