Re: Unicode & Shorthand?

2004-09-18 Thread James Kass
D. Starner responded to C. Fynn, > > Shorthand symbols are of course printed in books on shorthand :-) > > But as images, not text. There's likely to be arrows, showing the > directions, and any changes to glyph form are likely to be errors. "The Sign of the Four" by Doyle was published in

Re: Unicode & Shorthand?

2004-09-18 Thread Werner LEMBERG
> > Sounds a bit like Arabic... > > Not really, because the actual rendering is bidimensionnal, not > linear. It's difficult to predict the line height, as the baseline > changes according to the context of previous characters in the word, > and its writing direction (forward or backward). Then i

Re: Unicode & Shorthand?

2004-09-18 Thread Gerd Schumacher
Shorthand writing systems usually are not used for information interchange. Thus there seems to be no reason for encoding them. The Tironian notes, comprising many thousand characters, are the only exeption, I know. The Tironian et (U+204A) is still in use today. Few other ones of them, which surv

Re: Unicode & Shorthand?

2004-09-18 Thread D. Starner
Christopher Fynn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Shorthand symbols are of course printed in books on shorthand :-) But as images, not text. There's likely to be arrows, showing the directions, and any changes to glyph form are likely to be errors. > Stenotype and similar machines also produce short

Re: Unicode & Shorthand?

2004-09-18 Thread Philippe Verdy
From: "Christopher Fynn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Philippe Verdy wrote: << It's not impossible to create a rendering system for such stenographic system, however the general layout is more complex than with traditional alphabets, because the layout of characters is highly dependant of the context of

Re: Unicode & Shorthand?

2004-09-18 Thread Ernest Cline
> [Original Message] > From: Chris Jacobs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > - Original Message - > From: "Christopher Fynn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > Is there any plan to include sets of shorthand (Pitman, Gregg etc.) > > symbols in Unicode? Or are they something which is specifically excluded?

Re: Unicode & Shorthand?

2004-09-18 Thread Christopher Fynn
Philippe Verdy wrote: << It's not impossible to create a rendering system for such stenographic system, however the general layout is more complex than with traditional alphabets, because the layout of characters is highly dependant of the context of previous letters, and the system includes gly

Re: Unicode & Shorthand?

2004-09-18 Thread Christopher Fynn
D. Starner wrote: Christopher Fynn wrote: Is there any plan to include sets of shorthand (Pitman, Gregg etc.) symbols in Unicode? Or are they something which is specifically excluded? They're a form of handwriting, which is generally excluded. Why do they need to be encoded in a computer? Gener

Re: Unicode & Shorthand?

2004-09-18 Thread Philippe Verdy
From: "D. Starner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Christopher Fynn wrote: Is there any plan to include sets of shorthand (Pitman, Gregg etc.) symbols in Unicode? Or are they something which is specifically excluded? They're a form of handwriting, which is generally excluded. Why do they need to be encoded in

Re: Unicode & Shorthand?

2004-09-18 Thread Philippe Verdy
From: "Chris Jacobs" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> - Original Message - From: "Christopher Fynn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, September 19, 2004 12:08 AM Subject: Unicode & Shorthand? Is there any plan to include sets of shorthand (Pitman, Gregg etc.) symbols in Unicod

Re: Unicode & Shorthand?

2004-09-18 Thread D. Starner
Christopher Fynn wrote: > Is there any plan to include sets of shorthand (Pitman, Gregg etc.) > symbols in Unicode? Or are they something which is specifically excluded? They're a form of handwriting, which is generally excluded. Why do they need to be encoded in a computer? General practice, at

Re: Unicode & Shorthand?

2004-09-18 Thread Chris Jacobs
- Original Message - From: "Christopher Fynn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, September 19, 2004 12:08 AM Subject: Unicode & Shorthand? > Is there any plan to include sets of shorthand (Pitman, Gregg etc.) > symbols in Unicode? Or are they something which is s

Unicode & Shorthand?

2004-09-18 Thread Christopher Fynn
Is there any plan to include sets of shorthand (Pitman, Gregg etc.) symbols in Unicode? Or are they something which is specifically excluded? - Chris

Re: Unibook 4.0.1 available

2004-09-18 Thread James Kass
Kenneth Whistler wrote, > > Anyone who wants Unibook for Mac or Unibook for Unix is free to > > take the concept and go off and write it in your spare time. And > > if you architect it with a platform-independent system wrapper, > > so much the better. Marion Gunn wrote, > ... I belong to a

Re: Unibook 4.0.1 available

2004-09-18 Thread Marion Gunn
I understand. Should have put my question less bluntly? I belong to a group some of whose members seem to be able to make just about anything run on anything, no thanks to me, so I assumed the same expertise to be available within Unicode, only to have some volunteer(s) from within the ranks of UC