Fw: Endangered Alphabets [OT]

2011-08-15 Thread dzo
Forwarding the following although it's off the list topic since the scripts it covers would include at least some that have figured in discussions here and/or the work of various list subscribers. (I personally have no connection with this project, so plz address any questions to Mr. Brookes,

Re: Greek Characters Duplicated as Latin

2011-08-15 Thread Karl Pentzlin
Am Montag, 15. August 2011 um 12:36 schrieb Philippe Verdy: PV Don't be surprised then if you see the micro sign on all standard PV French keyboards of computers (even those sold today). This is the PV only Greek letter supported there. It is also engraved on all German keyboards (to be input by

Re: Greek Characters Duplicated as Latin

2011-08-15 Thread Jukka K. Korpela
15.8.2011 13:36, Philippe Verdy wrote: Don't be surprised then if you see the micro sign on all standard French keyboards of computers (even those sold today). This is the only Greek letter supported there. I remember that I was surprised at seeing that common Finnish keyboards world produce

Re: Greek Characters Duplicated as Latin

2011-08-15 Thread Philippe Verdy
2011/8/15 Jukka K. Korpela jkorp...@cs.tut.fi: 15.8.2011 13:36, Philippe Verdy wrote: Don't be surprised then if you see the micro sign on all standard French keyboards of computers (even those sold today). This is the only Greek letter supported there. I remember that I was surprised at

Re: Greek Characters Duplicated as Latin

2011-08-15 Thread Andreas Prilop
On Sun, 14 Aug 2011, Asmus Freytag wrote: The Ohm sign should have been encoded as another example of squared letters and abbreviations. It comes from Asian character sets, I’d say the ohm sign comes from the MacRoman character set (0xBD).

Re: Proposed new characters updated in Pipeline Table

2011-08-15 Thread Philippe Verdy
2011/8/14 Petr Tomasek toma...@etf.cuni.cz: Submitting a doc to UTC is a basic requirement. The issue also needs to make it onto the agenda of a UTC meeting, and it helps to have a champion to make sure that happens and that can be available to discuss the issue with the UTC. These things

Re: Greek Characters Duplicated as Latin

2011-08-15 Thread Jukka K. Korpela
15.8.2011 18:50, Andreas Prilop wrote: Both symbols (micro sign, ohm sign) combine with Latin letters to form multiples of units: micrometre, megaohm; even microohm. Therefore I think one might well regard micro sign and ohm sign as some kind of “pseudo-Latin” letters. Typographically, yes.

Re: Proposed new characters updated in Pipeline Table

2011-08-15 Thread Philippe Verdy
2011/8/13 mmarx mm...@zedat.fu-berlin.de: I attach a Garshuni document from Beit al-Qammar showing Arab vowel marks -- just as the Syriac communmties are using Syriac vowel marks in Arabic script text -- and (in the second line on the left) wasla above olaph. So whatever the status of

Re: on proposed new Arab script characters for African lanugages (n3882)

2011-08-15 Thread Philippe Verdy
2011/8/13 Ken Whistler k...@sybase.com: If a proposed character (or script or collection of symbols) is marked in yellow or green in that table, there is still a chance to provide feedback and potentially influence an encoding decision. But once a proposed character reaches ISO Stage 6 in

Re: on proposed new Arab script characters for African lanugages (n3882)

2011-08-15 Thread mmarx
At this point, regarding the dammas in question, it is a matter ... of providing appropriate documentation of equivalence (or non-equivalence) in use and explaining when one might want to use one variant or another in text. --Ken n3882 This character should be considered a variant of

Re: Proposed new characters updated in Pipeline Table

2011-08-15 Thread mmarx
Guten Tag Philippe Verdy, am Montag, 15. August 2011 um 19:38 schrieben Sie: 2011/8/13 mmarx mm...@zedat.fu-berlin.de: I attach a Garshuni document from Beit al-Qammar showing Arab vowel marks -- just as the Syriac communmties are using Syriac vowel marks in Arabic script text -- and (in

Re: Proposed new characters updated in Pipeline Table

2011-08-15 Thread Petr Tomasek
On Mon, Aug 15, 2011 at 07:38:07PM +0200, Philippe Verdy wrote: 2011/8/13 mmarx mm...@zedat.fu-berlin.de: I attach a Garshuni document from Beit al-Qammar showing Arab vowel marks -- just as the Syriac communmties are using Syriac vowel marks in Arabic script text -- and (in the second

Re: Proposed new characters updated in Pipeline Table

2011-08-15 Thread Philippe Verdy
2011/8/15 Petr Tomasek toma...@etf.cuni.cz: On Mon, Aug 15, 2011 at 07:38:07PM +0200, Philippe Verdy wrote: 2011/8/13 mmarx mm...@zedat.fu-berlin.de: I attach a Garshuni document from Beit al-Qammar showing Arab vowel marks -- just as the Syriac communmties are using Syriac vowel marks

Re: Proposed new characters updated in Pipeline Table

2011-08-15 Thread Ken Whistler
On 8/15/2011 10:38 AM, Philippe Verdy wrote: Unicode cannot encode a combining Wasla (because of various stability policies), so if Syriac needs a Wasla to be shown only over a letter or two, one needs to propose precomposed characters for them. Just like the existing Arabic Alef-Wasla.

Re: Proposed new characters updated in Pipeline Table

2011-08-15 Thread Philippe Verdy
2011/8/15 mmarx mm...@zedat.fu-berlin.de: I took Roozbeh's answer for the final word, because the unicode world is still full of secrets to me. I guess he knows from years of experience. But I admit that it strikes me as a bit odd given the fact that there is both ARABIC LETTER ALEF WITH

Re: Proposed new characters updated in Pipeline Table

2011-08-15 Thread Philippe Verdy
You seem to think that I was speaking about a new Arabic Alef-Wasla. I was absolutely not speaking about it, but about the proposed (still unencoded) separate Wasla. If it's not encoded, it *cannot* be found in the DerivedAge.txt You seem to misinterpret what I wrote by going exactly the

Re: Proposed new characters updated in Pipeline Table

2011-08-15 Thread Petr Tomasek
encoding of a Syriac Aliph-Wasla remains open. None of these options have been formally dismissed. But if the separate Wasla is only needed for the use in Syriac in the sepecific complinatioon with the Syriac Aliph, it's probably best to encode only the Syriac Aliph-Wasla, as I'm not

Re: Greek Characters Duplicated as Latin

2011-08-15 Thread Ken Whistler
On 8/15/2011 8:50 AM, Andreas Prilop wrote: The Ohm sign should have been encoded as another example of squared letters and abbreviations. It comes from Asian character sets, I’d say the ohm sign comes from the MacRoman character set (0xBD).

Re: Sanskrit nasalized L

2011-08-15 Thread Richard Wordingham
On Mon, 15 Aug 2011 07:21:20 +0530 Shriramana Sharma samj...@gmail.com wrote: On 08/15/2011 01:48 AM, Richard Wordingham wrote: The issues is on the relative ordering of candrabindu and virama. For a C1-conjoining form (i.e. C2 relatively unmodified),la virama candrabindu la is easier to

RE: Proposed new characters updated in Pipeline Table

2011-08-15 Thread Peter Constable
From: ver...@gmail.com [mailto:ver...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Philippe Verdy These things are much easier if you are a member of the consortium (cost is as little as $35/yr for students). Which may still be not negligible sum for some people, especially not US citizens... In addition,

Re: on proposed new Arab script characters for African lanugages (n3882)

2011-08-15 Thread mmarx
Ken, you do not answer my mails concerning marks called by the local communities damma and looking exactly like a damma are encoded a second time as arrowhead. It is as if some letters were encoded a second time accompanied by a nastaliq rendering because Pakistani have a clear preference for