How do we find out what assigned code points aren't normally used in text?

2011-09-09 Thread Karl Williamson
On 07/06/2011 04:23 PM, Ken Whistler wrote: I'm not sure whether the FB05/FB06 instance is important enough to add or not. Neither of those compabitility ligatures should ordinarily be used in text, anyway ... --Ken I'm wondering what other characters might not ordinarily be used in text,

Re: How do we find out what assigned code points aren't normally used in text?

2011-09-09 Thread Kent Karlsson
Den 2011-09-09 21:24, skrev Karl Williamson pub...@khwilliamson.com: On 07/06/2011 04:23 PM, Ken Whistler wrote: I'm not sure whether the FB05/FB06 instance is important enough to add or not. Neither of those compabitility ligatures should ordinarily be used in text, anyway ... --Ken

ligature usage - WAS: How do we find out what assigned code points aren't normally used in text?

2011-09-09 Thread Stephan Stiller
Pardon my asking, as this is not my specialty: There are several other ligatures that *should* be formed (automatically) by run of the mill fonts: for instance the fj ligature, just to mention one that I find particularly important (and that does not have a compatibility code point). About

Continue:Glaring mistake in the code list for South Asian Script

2011-09-09 Thread delex r
I figure out that Unicode has not addressed the sovereignty issues of a language while trying to devise an ASCII like encoding system for almost all the characters and symbols used on earth. I am continuing with my observation of the glaring mistake done by Unicode by naming a South Asian

Re: ligature usage - WAS: How do we find out what assigned code points aren't normally used in text?

2011-09-09 Thread Kent Karlsson
I was talking about purely typographic ligatures, in particular ligatures used because the glyphs (normally spaced) would otherwise overlap in an unpleasing manner. If the glyphs don't overlap (or there is extra spacing, which is quite ugly in itself if used in normal text), no need to use a

Re: How do we find out what assigned code points aren't normally used in text?

2011-09-09 Thread Karl Williamson
On 09/09/2011 02:36 PM, Kent Karlsson wrote: Den 2011-09-09 21:24, skrev Karl Williamsonpub...@khwilliamson.com: On 07/06/2011 04:23 PM, Ken Whistler wrote: I'm not sure whether the FB05/FB06 instance is important enough to add or not. Neither of those compabitility ligatures should

Re: How do we find out what assigned code points aren't normally used in text?

2011-09-09 Thread Kent Karlsson
Oh, my apologies. In that case, CaseFolding.txt (from the Unicode character database) says: FB05; F; 0073 0074; # LATIN SMALL LIGATURE LONG S T FB06; F; 0073 0074; # LATIN SMALL LIGATURE ST which seems rather straightforward... /Kent K Den 2011-09-10 01:25, skrev Karl Williamson

RE: Continue:Glaring mistake in the code list for South Asian Script

2011-09-09 Thread Peter Constable
You appear to be assuming that Unicode lists languages. It does not. It deals with characters and scripts. As mentioned before, it does not attempt to document all possible and preferred ways to refer to characters or scripts; that is well beyond the scope, purpose and requirements. All that

Re: ligature usage - WAS: How do we find out what assigned code points aren't normally used in text?

2011-09-09 Thread Stephan Stiller
Actually, I *was* talking about purely typographic/aesthetic ligatures as well. I'm aware that which di-/trigraphs need to be considered from a font design perspective is language-dependent. But the point is that I observe that: (a) aesthetic ligatures are not frequently seen in modern German

Re: ligature usage - WAS: How do we find out what assigned code points aren't normally used in text?

2011-09-09 Thread Kent Karlsson
Den 2011-09-10 02:32, skrev Stephan Stiller sstil...@stanford.edu: Actually, I *was* talking about purely typographic/aesthetic ligatures as well. I'm aware that which di-/trigraphs need to be considered from a font design perspective is language-dependent. But the point is that I

Re: Continue:Glaring mistake in the code list for South Asian Script

2011-09-09 Thread Kent Karlsson
Den 2011-09-10 00:53, skrev delex r del...@indiatimes.com: I figure out that Unicode has not addressed the sovereignty issues of a language Which, I daresay, is irrelevant from a *character* encoding perspective. while trying to devise an ASCII like encoding system for almost all the

Re: ligature usage - WAS: How do we find out what assigned code points aren't normally used in text?

2011-09-09 Thread Stephan Stiller
Actually, I *was* talking about purely typographic/aesthetic ligatures as well. I'm aware that which di-/trigraphs need to be considered from a font design perspective is language-dependent. But the point is that I observe that: (a) aesthetic ligatures are not frequently

Re: Continue:Glaring mistake in the code list for South Asian Script

2011-09-09 Thread Doug Ewell
English, French, German, Dutch, Spanish, Italian, Portuguese, Swedish, and Polish are all different languages. Each has its own pronunciation, vocabulary, orthography, national identity, and rich literary tradition. Would you suggest that the letters used in each of these languages should be

Re: ligature usage - WAS: How do we find out what assigned code points aren't normally used in text?

2011-09-09 Thread Martin J. Dürst
On 2011/09/10 9:32, Stephan Stiller wrote: Actually, I *was* talking about purely typographic/aesthetic ligatures as well. I'm aware that which di-/trigraphs need to be considered from a font design perspective is language-dependent. And this language-dependence is not only a question of

Re: ligature usage - WAS: How do we find out what assigned code points aren't normally used in text?

2011-09-09 Thread Stephan Stiller
Dear Martin, Thanks for alerting me to the issue of causal direction of aesthetic preference - it's been on my mind, but your reply helps me sort out some details. When I first encountered text (outside of the German language locale) with ample use of ligatures in modern printed text, I