Re: Unicode Core

2012-06-21 Thread Julian Bradfield
Asmus wrote: >The Unicode Standard easily uses hundreds of fonts for the code charts, >from a variety of sources. Despite what should "theoretically" work, not >all systems can actually print every code chart. Some users cannot print >certain of the existing PDFs on their systems, and POD provid

Re: Are Named sequences always going to be graphemes?

2012-06-21 Thread Shriramana Sharma
On Fri, Jun 22, 2012 at 9:06 AM, Asmus Freytag wrote: > > MARK D A V I S  :) :) ;) > (incidentally, it would be equivalent to the more pithy MARK DAVIS > as spaces are ignored in character names... ) Heh -- don't you think that should be "DAVIS MARK"? :-) Precedents for such character naming e

Re: Are Named sequences always going to be graphemes?

2012-06-21 Thread Asmus Freytag
On 6/21/2012 2:56 AM, Shriramana Sharma wrote: On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 12:11 PM, Asmus Freytag wrote: But the point is not just the sequence, but also the name for it. What do you propose? Well I couldn't propose a name conforming to the naming rules without revealing what was munged up, could

Re: Are Named sequences always going to be graphemes?

2012-06-21 Thread Asmus Freytag
On 6/21/2012 7:51 PM, Karl Williamson wrote: On 06/21/2012 01:45 PM, Asmus Freytag wrote: OK. Will they always be in NFC? To apply Ken's dictume to this case: That seems like a straitjacket looking for an unwilling wearer. ;-) Unless it's excluded from the start, anytime you limit

Re: Are Named sequences always going to be graphemes?

2012-06-21 Thread Karl Williamson
On 06/21/2012 01:45 PM, Asmus Freytag wrote: OK. Will they always be in NFC? To apply Ken's dictume to this case: That seems like a straitjacket looking for an unwilling wearer. ;-) Unless it's excluded from the start, anytime you limit it, when the time comes you need something li

Re: Are Named sequences always going to be graphemes?

2012-06-21 Thread Asmus Freytag
OK. Will they always be in NFC? To apply Ken's dictume to this case: That seems like a straitjacket looking for an unwilling wearer. ;-) Unless it's excluded from the start, anytime you limit it, when the time comes you need something like that, you have to invent a new property/m

Re: Are Named sequences always going to be graphemes?

2012-06-21 Thread Karl Williamson
On 06/20/2012 07:43 PM, Ken Whistler wrote: On 6/20/2012 3:22 PM, Karl Williamson wrote: All current named sequences appear to be each a single grapheme. That seems like it should always be the case. Possibly, but keep in mind that neither the Unicode Standard nor UAX #29 in particular define

Re: Unicode Core

2012-06-21 Thread Asmus Freytag
On 6/21/2012 3:22 AM, Julian Bradfield wrote: Not much, if they use the Lulu route, as they already have an account set up. An hour of somebody's time should do it. And at a Lulu price, there'll be a lot more of a market than at an Addison-Wesley price! The Unicode Standard easily uses hundr

Re: Unicode Core

2012-06-21 Thread Michael Everson
On 21 Jun 2012, at 13:26, Pierpaolo Bernardi wrote: > And the sales figures of the previous versions? Everybody, The Powers That Be are looking into it, and discussion on this list isn't going to provide new information unavailable to The Powers. Michael Everson * http://www.evertype.com/

Re: Unicode Core

2012-06-21 Thread Pierpaolo Bernardi
At the price of this lulu edition, I would have happily bought also an edition with charts and standard annexes, scaled proportionally. Would it be possible to know the sales figures of this edition? Only to understand if the effort for the pubblication has been worthwhile. And the sales figures

Re: Unicode Core

2012-06-21 Thread Raymond Mercier
Michael Everson: Perhaps less than us character mavens would imagine. Books don't publish themselves, and publishing takes resources of various kinds. Julian Bradfield: Not much, if they use the Lulu route, as they already have an account set up. An hour of somebody's time should do it. And at

Re: Unicode Core

2012-06-21 Thread Julian Bradfield
On 2012-06-21, Michael Everson wrote: > On 21 Jun 2012, at 09:47, Raymond Mercier wrote: >> While I am very glad to have this, I really do wonder why there was not a >> full publication of Unicode 6 or 6.1 from the corporation itself, with all >> the charts, as we have had with Unicode 1 to 5. S

Re: Are Named sequences always going to be graphemes?

2012-06-21 Thread Shriramana Sharma
On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 12:11 PM, Asmus Freytag wrote: > But the point is not just the sequence, but also the name for it. What do > you propose? Well I couldn't propose a name conforming to the naming rules without revealing what was munged up, could I? :-) On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 1:30 PM, Mich

Re: Unicode Core

2012-06-21 Thread vanisaac
From: Michael Everson > On 21 Jun 2012, at 09:47, Raymond Mercier wrote: > > > While I am very glad to have this, I really do wonder why there was not a > full publication of Unicode 6 or 6.1 from the corporation itself, with all > the > charts, as we have had with Unicode 1 to 5. Surely there

Re: Unicode Core

2012-06-21 Thread Michael Everson
On 21 Jun 2012, at 09:47, Raymond Mercier wrote: > While I am very glad to have this, I really do wonder why there was not a > full publication of Unicode 6 or 6.1 from the corporation itself, with all > the charts, as we have had with Unicode 1 to 5. Surely there is a market for > this ? Perh

Unicode Core

2012-06-21 Thread Raymond Mercier
Today I received from Lulu the Unicode Standard 6.1 -Core specification http://www.lulu.com/shop/unicode-consortium/the-unicode-standard-version-61-core-specification/paperback/product-20082926.html . While I am very glad to have this, I really do wonder why there was not a full publication of U

Re: Are Named sequences always going to be graphemes?

2012-06-21 Thread Michael Everson
On 21 Jun 2012, at 04:09, Shriramana Sharma wrote: > On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 7:13 AM, Ken Whistler wrote: >> I don't see any necessary correlation between what sequences >> people might end up insisting on naming (for whatever reason) and what >> people might consider to be "graphemes". > > I su