On September 12, 2013 Richard Wordingham wrote:
On Wed, 11 Sep 2013 12:57:34 +0200
Charlie Ruland ☘ wrote:
Andreas,
linguistically speaking (i.e. following the tradition that was
started by Ferdinand de Saussure) when items are used contrastively
they must be considered different linguistic ent
On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 3:17 AM, Michel Suignard wrote:
> So you need both versions, the draft repertoire to have these references, and
> the ballot text to have new characters in context.
Thanks to all the WG2 experts for their explanations.
But still, when you people post the copies of the ab
On Tue, 10 Sep 2013 19:48:18 +0100
Michael Everson wrote:
> On 10 Sep 2013, at 19:38, Kent Karlsson
> wrote:
>
> > I would agree, and in addition,
> > AB3E;LATIN SMALL LETTER BLACKLETTER O WITH STROKE;Ll;0;L;N;
> > should have a compatibility decomposition to
> > 00F8;LATIN SMALL LETTER
On Wed, 11 Sep 2013 12:57:34 +0200
Charlie Ruland ☘ wrote:
> Andreas,
> linguistically speaking (i.e. following the tradition that was
> started by Ferdinand de Saussure) when items are used contrastively
> they must be considered different linguistic entities on what has
> been called the “emic”
David Starner asked:
> Would it be possible to post links to the next ballots like these on
> this list so that we can comment on them when they're live? It's a lot
> harder to discuss them without actual links to the proposals or actual
> ballots (more then just the names).
Well, technically, no
Just to add a tiny bit to the very good explanation by Ken, the draft for the
ballot texts are sometimes also included in the Unicode registry. ISO adds some
head pages but otherwise the content is the same as the official ISO documents.
There are always in the WG2 web site which is not protect
On 9/11/2013 1:13 PM, Michael Everson wrote:
Nonsense. And blackletter isn't identical to Fraktur.
>It is not different enough to base a character encoding distinction on it. Why don't we code
"times" and "garamond" shapes then as characters as well.
"The Mathematical Alphanumeric Symbols blo
On 9/11/2013 5:56 AM, Gerrit Ansmann wrote:
That’s correct, but that did not seem to stop people from using a long
s in Antiqua from time to time. There are a lot of post-1901 Antiqua
display fonts that contain a long s as well as examples from normal
text. This very rarely happens even today:
To add to what Ken just posted (appended to this message):
If you want to see the proposal where a particular script or character was put
forward, you can go to the draft repertoire document, and often find the
proposal document numbers there.
For example, in the "Draft additional repertoire fo
On 11 Sep 2013, at 19:32, Asmus Freytag wrote:
> On 9/10/2013 12:09 PM, Michael Everson wrote:
>> On 10 Sep 2013, at 20:04, Asmus Freytag wrote:
>>
>>> The proper thing would be to deprecate these accidental duplications
>>> forthwith.
>> Nonsense. And blackletter isn't identical to Fraktur.
>
On 9/10/2013 12:09 PM, Michael Everson wrote:
On 10 Sep 2013, at 20:04, Asmus Freytag wrote:
The proper thing would be to deprecate these accidental duplications forthwith.
Nonsense. And blackletter isn't identical to Fraktur.
It is not different enough to base a character encoding distinct
On 10 Sep 2013, at 21:04, Asmus Freytag wrote:
> On 9/10/2013 11:05 AM, Michael Everson wrote:
>> On 10 Sep 2013, at 18:01, Asmus Freytag wrote:
>>
>>> This rationale is absent in document WG2 N3907 that requests these
>>> characters.
>>>
>>> Therefore, it seems these two additions should not
David,
Please see the pipeline page and links Ken mentioned at
http://www.unicode.org/alloc/Pipeline.html - the document registry is now
available for perusal.
-s
El miércoles, 11 de septiembre de 2013, David Starner escribió:
> On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 11:34 AM, Whistler, Ken
> wrote:
> > Thos
Am 11.09.2013 14:56, schrieb Gerrit Ansmann:
Your page draws my attention to "ſch". To typeset this as "ſ ch" in
circumstances where spacing-out (positive tracking; German:
"gesperrt") is used for emphasis has always irritated me, but I guess
that's just how it's mostly been done ... do you hav
On Wed, 11 Sep 2013 13:13:12 +0200, Stephan Stiller
wrote:
Your page draws my attention to "ſch". To typeset this as "ſ ch" in circumstances where spacing-out
(positive tracking; German: "gesperrt") is used for emphasis has always irritated me, but I guess that's just
how it's mostly been do
Even though this is slightly off-topic:
Thanks a bunch, Gerrit, for the latest versions of UnifrakturMaguntia,
UnifrakturCook-Regular and UnifrakturCook. I have dealt with hundreds
and maybe thousands of fonts, yet these are the only truly Unicode
compatible blackletter fonts I’ve seen so far
Hi Gerrit,
I have been aiming at creating a blackletter font
(http://unifraktur.sourceforge.net/maguntia.html)
Cool!
• The four “required” ligatures ch, ck, ſt and tz, which were never
separated in typesetting. These can be realised in the very same way
as antiqua ligatures.
Your page draws
Andreas,
linguistically speaking (i.e. following the tradition that was started
by Ferdinand de Saussure) when items are used contrastively they must be
considered different linguistic entities on what has been called the
“emic” level: phonemes, morphemes, graphemes, etc. As /gebrochene
Schrif
First of all, I am afraid that fraktur and blackletter get mixed up. So just
that everybody talks about the same things:
• Fraktur: the predominant typeface for the German language from the 16th
century until 1941, which has also been used by many other languages for
roughly the same time perio
Am 11.09.2013 um 11:48 schrieb Charlie Ruland ☘:
> gebrochene Schrift in general — and what you call “modern Latin” must be
> considered different scripts
No they must not. Supposed, you mean “script” in the sense of “writing system”.
Then you would have to consider minuscule a different script
I wasn’t referring to the use of one or the other script throughout a
text, but to the habit of mixing them according to semantics within a
single sentence.
Charlie
On 11 September 2013 schrieb Steffen Daode Nurpmeso wrote:
Charlie Ruland ␦ wrote:
|There is also a functional/semantic reas
Charlie Ruland ␦ wrote:
|There is also a functional/semantic reason why /Fraktur/ — or rather
|/gebrochene Schrift/ in general — and what you call “modern Latin” must
[.]
|borrowings. And this meant that two persons called Anne, one from Paris
|and the other one from Berlin, were distingui
There is also a functional/semantic reason why /Fraktur/ — or rather
/gebrochene Schrift/ in general — and what you call “modern Latin” must
be considered different scripts: once it was customary in Germany to use
/gebrochene Schrift/ for anything German and /Antiqua/ for foreign
borrowings. An
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On 11 Sep 2013, at 09:20, Otto Stolz wrote:
> E. g., in German fraktur text, there are specific rules for differentiating
> Long S »ſ« from Round S »s«, while in modern Latin text only the Round S has
> been used for decades (the latest Long S in modern Latin German printed text
> I have seen
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On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 11:34 AM, Whistler, Ken wrote:
> Those characters (along with a thousand others) went through two rounds
> of international balloting during late 2011 and early 2012, and those were
> ballots were the only chances to pull back or modify the approvals. Nobody
> objected
> d
Hello,
am 2013-09-10 um 22:43 Uhr hat Gerrit Ansmann geschrieben:
In contrast to Greek and Coptic (as far as I
understand them), changing a modern text to fraktur is only a change of
the font
This is not so.
Fraktur text is subject to orthographic rules different
from those applying to text i
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