Re: Editing Sinhala and Similar Scripts

2014-03-19 Thread Philippe Verdy
The Backspace key has never been considered an "Undo" key. Some OSes or keyboard provide an Undo key or an equivalent shortcut like CTRL+Z (but even in this case the editor may want to undo in one operation multiple successive insertions). In the ti,e of typewriters; backspaces meant going back one

Re: Editing Sinhala and Similar Scripts

2014-03-19 Thread Andrew Cunningham
On 20 March 2014 15:17, J. Leslie Turriff wrote: > Perhaps it might be useful to be able to distinguish between an > "editing > mode" and a "composition mode": editing mode would be active when a > document > is first loaded into the editor, when the editor has no keystroke history > to

Re: Editing Sinhala and Similar Scripts

2014-03-19 Thread Andrew Cunningham
There is also a distinction between editing an existing document that you opened as distinct from writing a document, going back to a certain point in document and editing that section within the same editing session. In the first case their is no history, in the second case their may be history t

Re: Editing Sinhala and Similar Scripts

2014-03-19 Thread J. Leslie Turriff
Perhaps it might be useful to be able to distinguish between an "editing mode" and a "composition mode": editing mode would be active when a document is first loaded into the editor, when the editor has no keystroke history to consult, and in this mode the backspace key would merely r

RE: Editing Sinhala and Similar Scripts

2014-03-19 Thread Peter Constable
If you click into the existing text in this email and backspace, what keystroke will you expect to be "erased"? Your system has no way of knowing what keystroke might have been involved in creating the text. What is _can_ make sense to talk about is to say that a user expects execution of a par

Re: Editing Sinhala and Similar Scripts

2014-03-19 Thread Richard Wordingham
On Wed, 19 Mar 2014 14:17:00 +0100 Daniel Bünzli wrote: > Le mercredi, 19 mars 2014 à 02:33, Doug Ewell a écrit : > > There are two types of people: > > > > 1. those who fully expect Backspace to erase a single keystroke, > > and feel it is a fatal flaw if it erases an entire combination, and >

RE: Editing Sinhala and Similar Scripts

2014-03-19 Thread Doug Ewell
"Whistler, Ken" wrote: > But what Peter was pointing out that in the *generic* case > for editing, such as first cursor down at some random > location in already existing text, there is no existing history > of how that text was created. And thus there are no "keystrokes" > to be undone by hittin

RE: Editing Sinhala and Similar Scripts

2014-03-19 Thread Doug Ewell
Andre Schappo wrote: > WRT Latin. I have just tested with OSX TextEdit and the precomposed > character é U+00E9 > > Backspace erases é > Control+Backspace erases ´ leaving one with e > > I had not realised this was possible until I experimented with > combinations of Backspace + alt/command/ctrl/

RE: Editing Sinhala and Similar Scripts

2014-03-19 Thread Whistler, Ken
And I think you need to distinguish between *proximate* behavior in an editor and editing behavior in general. Once a user enters editing mode, the expectation that we (the software community writing text editors) have built, in interaction with users, is that within reason, something that you ha

RE: Editing Sinhala and Similar Scripts

2014-03-19 Thread Doug Ewell
Peter Constable wrote: >> There are two types of people: >> >> 1. those who fully expect Backspace to erase a single keystroke > > It is nonsensical to talk about erasing a _keystroke_. But that's what they expect. -- Doug Ewell | Thornton, CO, USA http://ewellic.org | @DougEwell

Re: Editing Sinhala and Similar Scripts

2014-03-19 Thread Eric Muller
On 3/19/2014 7:57 AM, Peter Constable wrote: It is nonsensical to talk about erasing a _keystroke_. "undo", "revert" the effect of a keystroke. The concept is meaningful. Eric. ___ Unicode mailing list Unicode@unicode.org http://unicode.org/mailman/

RE: Editing Sinhala and Similar Scripts

2014-03-19 Thread Peter Constable
From: Unicode [mailto:unicode-boun...@unicode.org] On Behalf Of Doug Ewell >>> When you backspace it destroys multiple keystrokes. > There are two types of people: > > 1. those who fully expect Backspace to erase a single keystroke It is nonsensical to talk about erasing a _keystroke_. That wou

Re: Editing Sinhala and Similar Scripts

2014-03-19 Thread Andre Schappo
On 19 Mar 2014, at 01:33, Doug Ewell wrote: > Richard Wordingham wrote: > >>> Typing is a nightmare. >> >>> When you backspace it destroys multiple keystrokes. >> >> I suspect this is a widespread and unsolved problem. > > There are two types of people: > > 1. those who fully expect Backspa

Re: Editing Sinhala and Similar Scripts

2014-03-19 Thread Andrew Cunningham
LOL, that's why, if the input framework allows it, its easier to support both approachable to backspace or at least an option to choose one or the other. ; ) Andrew On 19/03/2014 11:37 PM, "Doug Ewell" wrote: > Richard Wordingham wrote: > > Typing is a nightmare. >>> >> >> When you backspa

Re: Editing Sinhala and Similar Scripts

2014-03-19 Thread Daniel Bünzli
Le mercredi, 19 mars 2014 à 02:33, Doug Ewell a écrit : > There are two types of people: > > 1. those who fully expect Backspace to erase a single keystroke, and > feel it is a fatal flaw if it erases an entire combination, and > > 2. those who fully expect Backspace to erase an entire combin

Re: Editing Sinhala and Similar Scripts

2014-03-19 Thread Doug Ewell
Richard Wordingham wrote: Typing is a nightmare. When you backspace it destroys multiple keystrokes. I suspect this is a widespread and unsolved problem. There are two types of people: 1. those who fully expect Backspace to erase a single keystroke, and feel it is a fatal flaw if it er

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2014-03-19 Thread N. Ganesan
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