Re: WORD JOINER vs ZWNBSP

On Fri, Jun 26, Richard Wordingham wrote: > On Fri, 26 Jun 2015 12:48:39 +0200 (CEST) Marcel Schneider wrote: >> To do traditional French typography on the PC, a justifying no-break >> space is needed along with the colon, because this punctuation must >> be placed in the middle between the word

Re: WORD JOINER vs ZWNBSP

2015-06-27 17:48 GMT+02:00 Marcel Schneider : > On Fri, Jun 26, Richard Wordingham > wrote: > > > On Fri, 26 Jun 2015 12:48:39 +0200 (CEST) Marcel Schneider < > charupd...@orange.fr> wrote: > >> To do traditional French typography on the PC, a justifying no-break > >> space is needed along with t

Adding RAINBOW FLAG to Unicode

Hello! It is Pride Month and the US just legalised queer marriage in every state. No better time to start a conversation about including the internationally recognised rainbow flag in Unicode! Here’s some background reading on the flag itself: *https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rainbow_flag_(LGBT_mo

Re: Adding RAINBOW FLAG to Unicode

2015-06-27 19:26 GMT+02:00 Noah Slater : > c. Image distinctiveness: the rainbow flag is visually distinct. > Not so distinct from several other former rainbow flags used in South America. In fact the number of colours in the rainbow varies culturally depending on countries, even when it is inte

Re: Adding RAINBOW FLAG to Unicode

On Sat, 27 Jun 2015 at 19:49 Philippe Verdy wrote: > 2015-06-27 19:26 GMT+02:00 Noah Slater : > >> c. Image distinctiveness: the rainbow flag is visually distinct. >> > > Not so distinct from several other former rainbow flags used in South > America. > > In fact the number of colours in the rain

Re: Adding RAINBOW FLAG to Unicode

Nothing really needs to be added to Unicode; vendors could already use: 🏳‍🌈 U+1F3F3, U+200D, U+1F308 WAVING WHITE FLAG, ZERO WIDTH JOINER, RAINBOW credit to Shervin for the idea Mark *— Il meglio è l’inimico del bene —* On Sat, Jun 27, 2015 at 7:26 PM, Noah Sl

Re: Adding RAINBOW FLAG to Unicode

Mark, are there any other instances of a ZERO WIDTH JOINER being used in this way? (i.e. Outside of its intended use with Arabic and Indic scripts, etc.) Please excuse my ignorance. On 27 June 2015 at 20:06, Mark Davis ☕️ wrote: > Nothing really needs to be added to Unicode; vendors could alread

Re: Adding RAINBOW FLAG to Unicode

A zero-width joiner between two spacing symbols does not mean that they should overlap completely, even if it allows some limtied form of ligature (but mostly for true letters or letter like symbols, such as between a long dash and an arrow head to connect them together in a long arrow...) Your ide

Re: Adding RAINBOW FLAG to Unicode

Take a look at http://unicode.org/reports/tr51/ for details. Mark *— Il meglio è l’inimico del bene —* On Sat, Jun 27, 2015 at 9:12 PM, Noah Slater wrote: > Mark, are there any other instances of a ZERO WIDTH JOINER being used in > this way? (i.e. Outside of it

Re: Adding RAINBOW FLAG to Unicode

On Sat, Jun 27, 2015 at 9:29 PM, Philippe Verdy wrote: > A zero-width joiner between two spacing symbols does not mean that they > should overlap completely, even if it allows some limtied form of ligature > (but mostly for true letters or letter like symbols, such as between a long > dash and an

Re: Adding RAINBOW FLAG to Unicode

This UTR just addresses the case of a combining coloring symbol for faces and those color symbols were designed since the begining to be combined as much as possible (and not meant to be used in isolation), this is not the case of the rainbow symbol which is much more figurative). Why would associ

Re: Adding RAINBOW FLAG to Unicode

On Sat, Jun 27, 2015 at 10:14 PM, Philippe Verdy wrote: > > Why would associating a flag and a rainbow this way means the flag will > just be recolored (but the rainbox form itself is completely lost)? > Couldn't this be to display a flying flag over a sky with a rainbow? > Compare this to the as

Re: Adding RAINBOW FLAG to Unicode

I think it's a bit of a stretch to propose that a rainbow flag is a "white flag" and "rainbow" ligature. That's certainly well beyond any understanding I have of what a ligature is, from a typographical perspective. On Sat, 27 Jun 2015 at 22:23 Pierpaolo Bernardi wrote: > On Sat, Jun 27, 2015 at

Re: Adding RAINBOW FLAG to Unicode

U+1F3F3, U+200D, U+2620 WAVING WHITE FLAG, ZERO WIDTH JOINER, SKULL AND CROSSBONES Wanna this one, too :) Konstantin 2015-06-27 23:06 GMT+04:00 Mark Davis ☕️ : > Nothing really needs to be added to Unicode; vendors could already use: > > 🏳‍[image: 🌈] > U+1F3F3, U+200D, U+1F308 > WAVING WHITE F

Re: Adding RAINBOW FLAG to Unicode

Philippe and others, You are missing the relevant parts of UTR #51. See: • http://www.unicode.org/reports/tr51/#Multi_Person_Groupings • http://www.unicode.org/reports/tr51/#ZWJ_Sequences

Re: Adding RAINBOW FLAG to Unicode

Actually, U+1F3F4, U+200D, U+2620 WAVING BLACK FLAG, ZERO WIDTH JOINER, SKULL AND CROSSBONES Konstantin 2015-06-28 1:46 GMT+04:00 Konstantin Ritt : > U+1F3F3, U+200D, U+2620 > WAVING WHITE FLAG, ZERO WIDTH JOINER, SKULL AND CROSSBONES > > Wanna this one, too :) > > > Konstantin > > 2015-06-27

Re: Adding RAINBOW FLAG to Unicode

On 27 Jun 2015, at 22:46, Konstantin Ritt wrote: > > U+1F3F3, U+200D, U+2620 > WAVING WHITE FLAG, ZERO WIDTH JOINER, SKULL AND CROSSBONES And thus the slippery slope is well and truly discovered. Gosh, I wish we could add capital equivalents to all (or most of) the un-cased lower-case letters

Re: Adding RAINBOW FLAG to Unicode

Me too. Not becuse the semantic of the flag is not lost but because here the relation with the rainbow is much less evident, as the flag does not mean the meteorological object or the internaction of solar light with the atomosphere, but only a few of its colors ordered not just like what happens i

Re: Adding RAINBOW FLAG to Unicode

No I had read it, the persons are still clearly separate. The "rainbow" on the flag is not in fact a rainbow, only its colours. The groups of persons are showing persons themselves, side by side, not one into the other one or one indirectly drawn on the face of another one. This new proposal of u

Re: Adding RAINBOW FLAG to Unicode

Thanks to Philippe for the addition of technical arguments in favour of a new code point. This is... a little beyond me. (Though fascinating reading!) I would particularly like to add me +1 to the knock-on effect this would have on downstream vendors. (I would like to see this become a standard emo

RE: WORD JOINER vs ZWNBSP

Marcel: Can you please clarify in what way Windows 7 is not supporting U+2060. Peter -Original Message- From: Unicode [mailto:unicode-boun...@unicode.org] On Behalf Of Petr Tomasek Sent: Friday, June 26, 2015 4:48 PM To: Marcel Schneider Cc: Unicode Mailing List Subject: Re: WORD JOINER

Re: Adding RAINBOW FLAG to Unicode

Noah Slater wrote: I found this: [...] the UTC does not wish to entertain further proposals for encoding of symbol characters for flags, whether national, state, regional, international, or otherwise. References to UTC Minutes: [134-C2], January 28, 2013. http://www.unicode.org/alloc/nonapp

Re: Adding RAINBOW FLAG to Unicode

On 28 June 2015 at 01:33, Doug Ewell wrote: > > I think the phrase "or otherwise" above might have been intended to mean > "or otherwise." > Perhaps. I'm hoping not. I think there is a strong case for the inclusion of the symbol given that Twitter (one of the largest electronic communication pl

Re: Adding RAINBOW FLAG to Unicode

2015-06-28 2:33 GMT+02:00 Doug Ewell : > Noah Slater wrote: > > I found this: >> >> [...] the UTC does not wish to entertain further proposals for >>> encoding of symbol characters for flags, whether national, state, >>> regional, international, or otherwise. References to UTC Minutes: >>> [134