RE: Enclosing BANKNOTE emoji?

2016-02-09 Thread Peter Constable
I wish emojitracker had an option to see cumulative stats spanning only the last (say) 7 days, rather than (I assume) all time. This would be more representative of current usage, fixing the problem of recent introductions. Also, comparing the recent and long-term stats would highlight shifting

Re: Case for letters j and J with acute

2016-02-09 Thread Asmus Freytag (t)
On 2/9/2016 3:01 PM, Ken Whistler wrote: Just adapt IndicPositionalCategory.txt for Unibook, and you've got what you need. I see. Not quite as simple; Unibook needs overrides that are specifically able to correct bad fonts, not just "dumb" ones. We may want to honor some part of the position

Re: Case for letters j and J with acute

2016-02-09 Thread Ken Whistler
Asmus, On 2/9/2016 2:19 PM, Asmus Freytag (t) wrote: On 2/9/2016 1:36 PM, Ken Whistler wrote: On 2/9/2016 1:23 PM, David Faulks wrote: Perhaps Unicode could create a ‘default position’ property for combining characters, and encourage OpenType and other font engines to adopt it for automatic

Re: Enclosing BANKNOTE emoji?

2016-02-09 Thread Leo Broukhis
The emojiexpress.com site is useful to check which new emoji or combinations people actually use, but the stats are likely skewed by only measuring input from one platform. Another way to look at the emojitracker.com stats: 339M people in the Eurozone : 389K uses of Euro emoji 126M people in Japa

Re: Case for letters j and J with acute

2016-02-09 Thread Asmus Freytag (t)
On 2/9/2016 1:36 PM, Ken Whistler wrote: On 2/9/2016 1:23 PM, David Faulks wrote: Perhaps Unicode could create a ‘default position’ property for combining characters, and encourage OpenType and other font engines to adopt i

Re: Case for letters j and J with acute

2016-02-09 Thread Ken Whistler
On 2/9/2016 1:23 PM, David Faulks wrote: Perhaps Unicode could create a ‘default position’ property for combining characters, and encourage OpenType and other font engines to adopt it for automatic use when no other font information is provided. Adoption would take a while, but I cannot help

Re: Case for letters j and J with acute

2016-02-09 Thread Kent Karlsson
Den 2016-02-09 16:58, skrev "Michael Everson" : > Well, the specification should be í (or i + combining acute) + j + > combining acute. Neither dotless i nor dotless j would be correct. While true, using the latter (the dotless ones) tend to render better than the dotted ones. (I.e., the Soft_do

Re: Case for letters j and J with acute

2016-02-09 Thread Leo Broukhis
It isn't just a font rendering issue. U+0133 LATIN SMALL LIGATURE IJ doesn't have Soft_Dotted property according to http://www.unicode.org/Public/UCD/latest/ucd/PropList.txt On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 7:58 AM, Michael Everson wrote: > On 9 Feb 2016, at 11:18, ACJ Unicode wrote: > >> This is taught

Re: Case for letters j and J with acute

2016-02-09 Thread David Faulks
>On Tue, 2/9/16, Philippe Verdy wrote: > This is only a font problem, not an Unicode problem. For > me the IJ (or ij) with combining double accent is correct. > Tell this to font authors so they fix their common fonts in > later versions (here Microsoft, Adobe, Apple and Google, > possibly othe

RE: Case for letters j and J with acute

2016-02-09 Thread Martin Heijdra
Actually, current use (e.g. the Brill font made by John Hudson) says: [cid:image001.png@01D16351.1F1BC730] The double acute is for languages such as Hungarian etc. \ Martin Heijdra From: Unicode [mailto:unicode-boun...@unicode.org] On Behalf Of Philippe Verdy Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2016 2:

Re: Case for letters j and J with acute

2016-02-09 Thread Philippe Verdy
Fixed it in Wikipedia (I used "canonically equivalent" and linked it to the relevant article, instead of the imprecise expression "the result of"). 2016-02-09 20:29 GMT+01:00 Markus Scherer : > On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 3:18 AM, ACJ Unicode wrote: > >> [3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IJ_(digraph)

Re: Case for letters j and J with acute

2016-02-09 Thread Philippe Verdy
2016-02-09 17:16 GMT+01:00 Frédéric Grosshans : > Le 09/02/2016 16:58, Michael Everson a écrit : > >> For completeness sake, one could also make a case for the following: >>> > >>> > • LATIN SMALL LIGATURE IJ WITH ACUTES; >>> > • LATIN CAPITAL LIGATURE IJ WITH ACUTES. >>> >> Or IJ (or

Re: Case for letters j and J with acute

2016-02-09 Thread Markus Scherer
On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 3:18 AM, ACJ Unicode wrote: > [3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IJ_(digraph)#Stress > This says "in Unicode it is possible to combine characters into a *j* with an acute accent – "bí

Re: Enclosing BANKNOTE emoji?

2016-02-09 Thread Mark Davis ☕️
Look at http://www.emojixpress.com/stats/. The stats are different, since they collect data from keyboards not twitter posts, but they have a nice button to view only the news emoji. (The numbers on the new ones will be smaller, just because it takes time for systems to support them, and people to

Re: Enclosing BANKNOTE emoji?

2016-02-09 Thread Leo Broukhis
A caveat about using emojitracker.com : it doesn't count newer emoji yet (e.g. U+1F37E bottle with popping cork is absent), thus, when they are added, their counts will be skewed. Leo On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 2:00 AM, Leo Broukhis wrote: > Thank you for the links, quite mesmerizing! > > On emojit

Re: Case for letters j and J with acute

2016-02-09 Thread Frédéric Grosshans
Le 09/02/2016 16:58, Michael Everson a écrit : For completeness sake, one could also make a case for the following: > >• LATIN SMALL LIGATURE IJ WITH ACUTES; >• LATIN CAPITAL LIGATURE IJ WITH ACUTES. Or IJ (or ij) + combining double acute. The rendering of these in a standard font (IJ̋ij̋) i

Re: Case for letters j and J with acute

2016-02-09 Thread Frédéric Grosshans
Le 09/02/2016 12:18, ACJ Unicode a écrit : [...] To me, the obvious solution to these problems would be to at least add the following characters to the Unicode standard: * LATIN SMALL LETTER J WITH ACUTE; * LATIN CAPITAL LETTER J WITH ACUTE. [...] Adding new composition of existing charac

Re: Case for letters j and J with acute

2016-02-09 Thread Markus Scherer
On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 7:58 AM, Michael Everson wrote: > On 9 Feb 2016, at 11:18, ACJ Unicode wrote: > > > This is taught in writing in primary school in the Netherlands (or at > least it was 30 years ago), but this practice is often abandoned soon > afterwards, probably because of the technical

Re: Case for letters j and J with acute

2016-02-09 Thread Michael Everson
On 9 Feb 2016, at 11:18, ACJ Unicode wrote: > This is taught in writing in primary school in the Netherlands (or at least > it was 30 years ago), but this practice is often abandoned soon afterwards, > probably because of the technical difficulty. The only way to achieve this > digitally appea

Case for letters j and J with acute

2016-02-09 Thread ACJ Unicode
Hello, This is my first time posting here, so please forgive me if I don’t get all the ethics right. I would like to make a case for an aspect of my native language (Dutch) that has always been problematic in the digital realm. Some context: I’m a (typo)graphic designer with a background in

Re: precomposed polytonic Greek characters with macrons and other diacritics

2016-02-09 Thread James Tauber
On Mon, Feb 8, 2016 at 8:26 PM, Martin J. Dürst wrote: > On 2016/02/09 02:10, James Tauber wrote: > >> >> http://jktauber.com/2016/01/28/polytonic-greek-unicode-is-still-not-perfect/ >> > > Hello James, > > I read your article. I just wanted to point out that in your problem 3, > the two sequence

RE: transliteration of mjagkij znak (Cyrillic soft sign)

2016-02-09 Thread Martin Heijdra
And so it is, also in the library world both before and after Unicode: for miagkii znak the prime is prescribed. The prime is also prescribed for some uses for standard transliteration in Tibetan and Hebrew/Arabic/Persian/Pushto: See:e.g. the relevant tables on https://www.loc.gov/catdir/cpso/

Re: transliteration of mjagkij znak (Cyrillic soft sign)

2016-02-09 Thread Michael Everson
On 9 Feb 2016, at 05:31, Asmus Freytag (t) wrote: > Without scouring the book I don't know whether there's another place in it > where something's unquestioningly the prime. In that case we could figure out > whether its appearance is simply the way that font does it. Alternatively, if > makin

More Astrology Symbols

2016-02-09 Thread David Faulks
I feel pretty confident in proposing the Uranian Planet symbols, but I am now wondering how far I can go. Astrological symbols are mostly used in charts. Rarely, you will also see a tabular listing of aspects, positions, or midpoints accompanying the chart, and these will have symbols. Even mor

Re: Enclosing BANKNOTE emoji?

2016-02-09 Thread Leo Broukhis
Thank you for the links, quite mesmerizing! On emojitracker.com (cumulative counts, but only on twitter, AFAICS), U+1F4B5 ($) had quite a respectable count of 2932622 (well above the middle of the page, around 70%ile), U+1F4B7 (pound) had 514536 (around 30%ile), and U+1F4B4 and U+1F4B6 had around