Re: Proposal to add standardized variation sequences for chess notation

2017-04-01 Thread Kent Karlsson
Den 2017-04-02 01:33, skrev "Michael Everson" : >> but isn't the convention that one "always" start with FE00 for each character >> that may have variation selectors applied? > > I don¹t know what you mean by this. > 25A8 FE01; Black chessboard square; # SQUARE WITH

Re: Proposal to add standardized variation sequences for chess notation

2017-04-01 Thread Garth Wallace
On Sat, Apr 1, 2017 at 2:09 PM, Rebecca T <637...@gmail.com> wrote: > > No chess symbols, encoded or proposed, are emoji, nor should they be. > > Except on Samsung > > . > They do not

Re: Proposal to add standardized variation sequences for chess notation

2017-04-01 Thread Michael Everson
On 1 Apr 2017, at 23:30, Kent Karlsson wrote: > 2654 FE00; Chesspiece on white; # WHITE CHESS KING > > Why do the ones with white background need a variation selector? Because for the typesetting to work the glyph has to have the same precise square metrics as the

Re: Proposal to add standardized variation sequences for chess notation

2017-04-01 Thread Michael Everson
Kent, Please do not drag chess pieces into discussions about emoji right now. Do it later if you must. This proposal is designed to proved a standardized higher-level protocol for the use of chess characters in chess data, to enable the chess community to make good use of the long-encoded

Re: Proposal to add standardized variation sequences for chess notation

2017-04-01 Thread Kent Karlsson
In addition, not directly related to your proposal, why aren't chess pieces listed in http://unicode.org/emoji/charts/emoji-variants.html. It seems to me that chess pieces would be very well suited to have each an emoji variant (not to be used for the chess boards, maybe). /Kent K PS Remember

Re: Proposal to add standardized variation sequences for chess notation

2017-04-01 Thread Philippe Verdy
I think it's all about sizing so that white or black cells will align, independantly of the piece that may be within it. However if FE00 and FE01 give the background color distinction, why is the base different (25A1 vis. 25A8) for the empty cell, when it is no different for the same piece (in the

Re: Proposal to add standardized variation sequences for chess notation

2017-04-01 Thread Philippe Verdy
2017-04-01 23:09 GMT+02:00 Rebecca T <637...@gmail.com>: > > No chess symbols, encoded or proposed, are emoji, nor should they be. > > Except on Samsung > > . > Except that the sample in this

Re: Proposal to add standardized variation sequences for chess notation

2017-04-01 Thread Kent Karlsson
2654 FE00; Chesspiece on white; # WHITE CHESS KING Why do the ones with white background need a variation selector? 25A1 FE00; White chessboard square; # WHITE SQUARE 25A8 FE01; Black chessboard square; # SQUARE WITH UPPER RIGHT TO LOWER LEFT FILL I see that you want a fallback in case the

Re: Proposal to add standardized variation sequences for chess notation

2017-04-01 Thread Rebecca T
> No chess symbols, encoded or proposed, are emoji, nor should they be. Except on Samsung .

Re: Proposal to add standardized variation sequences for chess notation

2017-04-01 Thread Garth Wallace
On Sat, Apr 1, 2017 at 12:57 PM, Christoph Päper < christoph.pae...@crissov.de> wrote: > Michael Everson : > > > > Variation Sequences have been implemented for a number of symbol > characters > > recently to make them useful for specialized purposes. > > This is were I

Re: Proposal to add standardized variation sequences for chess notation

2017-04-01 Thread Michael Everson
On 1 Apr 2017, at 21:57, Christoph Päper wrote: > □ U+25A1 and, especially, ▨ U+25A8 for empty fields on a board make no sense. Not so. Think about the data. > U+25A8 always shows as diagonals from the lower left to the upper right (much > like a forward slash /).

Re: Proposal to add standardized variation sequences for chess notation

2017-04-01 Thread Michael Everson
On 1 Apr 2017, at 21:21, Philippe Verdy wrote: > > I like these proposed border-box charcters which where clearly missing in the > box-drawing set (where they exist only when they pass through the center of a > cell. This document does not propose any new characters.

Re: Proposal to add standardized variation sequences for chess notation

2017-04-01 Thread Philippe Verdy
I like these proposed border-box charcters which where clearly missing in the box-drawing set (where they exist only when they pass through the center of a cell. However, unless they are are ujssed in monoxpaced fonts, I don't think that all of them have to match the same width as the checkers

Proposal to add standardized variation sequences for chess notation

2017-04-01 Thread Michael Everson
Variation Sequences have been implemented for a number of symbol characters recently to make them useful for specialized purposes. Here is a proposal which solves a long-standing problem for an important set of symbols in the UCS.