Re: Ancient Greek apostrophe marking elision

2019-01-25 Thread James Kass via Unicode
On 2019-01-25 10:06 PM, Asmus Freytag via Unicode wrote: James, by now it's unclear whether your ' is 2019 or 02BC. The example word "aren't" in previous message used U+2019.  Sorry if I was unclear.

Re: Encoding italic

2019-01-25 Thread James Kass via Unicode
On 2019-01-26 12:18 AM, Asmus Freytag (c) responded: On 1/25/2019 3:49 PM, Andrew Cunningham wrote: Assuming some mechanism for italics is added to Unicode,  when converting between the new plain text and HTML there is insufficient information to correctly convert to HTML. many elements may h

Re: Ancient Greek apostrophe marking elision

2019-01-25 Thread James Tauber via Unicode
On Fri, Jan 25, 2019 at 9:41 PM Richard Wordingham via Unicode < unicode@unicode.org> wrote: > To quote TUS: > > "A few may modify the following letter, and some may serve as a > independent letters". > > Bear in mind that one of the uses of U+02BC is the scholarly > representation of a glottal st

Re: Ancient Greek apostrophe marking elision

2019-01-25 Thread Richard Wordingham via Unicode
On Fri, 25 Jan 2019 17:02:25 -0500 James Tauber via Unicode wrote: > I guess U+02BC is category Lm not Mn, but doesn't that still mean it > modifies the previous character (i.e. is really part of the same > grapheme cluster) and so isn't appropriate as either a vowel or an > indication of an omit

Re: Encoding italic

2019-01-25 Thread Asmus Freytag (c) via Unicode
On 1/25/2019 3:49 PM, Andrew Cunningham wrote: Assuming some mechanism for italics is added to Unicode,  when converting between the new plain text and HTML there is insufficient information to correctly convert to HTML. many elements may have italic stying and there would be no meta informatio

Re: Encoding italic

2019-01-25 Thread Andrew Cunningham via Unicode
Assuming some mechanism for italics is added to Unicode, when converting between the new plain text and HTML there is insufficient information to correctly convert to HTML. many elements may have italic stying and there would be no meta information in Unicode to indicate the appropriate HTML eleme

Re: Ancient Greek apostrophe marking elision

2019-01-25 Thread Asmus Freytag via Unicode
On 1/25/2019 10:05 AM, James Kass via Unicode wrote: For U+2019, there's a note saying 'this is the preferred character to use for apostrophe'. Mark Davis wrote, > When it is between letters it doesn't cause a wor

Re: Ancient Greek apostrophe marking elision

2019-01-25 Thread Asmus Freytag via Unicode
On 1/25/2019 9:39 AM, James Tauber via Unicode wrote: Thank you, although the word break does still affect things like double-clicking to select. And people do seem to want to use U+02BC for this reason (and I'm try

Re: Ancient Greek apostrophe marking elision

2019-01-25 Thread James Tauber via Unicode
I guess U+02BC is category Lm not Mn, but doesn't that still mean it modifies the previous character (i.e. is really part of the same grapheme cluster) and so isn't appropriate as either a vowel or an indication of an omitted vowel? On Fri, Jan 25, 2019 at 4:30 PM Richard Wordingham via Unicode

Re: Encoding italic

2019-01-25 Thread Asmus Freytag (c) via Unicode
On 1/25/2019 1:06 AM, wjgo_10...@btinternet.com wrote: Asmus Freytag wrote; Other schemes, like a VS per code point, also suffer from being different in philosophy from "standard" rich text approaches. Best would be as standard extension to all the messaging systems (e.g. a common markdown la

Re: Ancient Greek apostrophe marking elision

2019-01-25 Thread Richard Wordingham via Unicode
On Fri, 25 Jan 2019 12:39:47 -0500 James Tauber via Unicode wrote: > Thank you, although the word break does still affect things like > double-clicking to select. > > And people do seem to want to use U+02BC for this reason (and I'm > trying to articulate why that isn't what U+02BC is meant for)

Re: Ancient Greek apostrophe marking elision

2019-01-25 Thread James Kass via Unicode
For U+2019, there's a note saying 'this is the preferred character to use for apostrophe'. Mark Davis wrote, > When it is between letters it doesn't cause a word break, ... Some applications don't seem to get that.  For instance, the spellchecker for Mozilla Thunderbird flags the string "a

Re: Ancient Greek apostrophe marking elision

2019-01-25 Thread James Tauber via Unicode
Thank you, although the word break does still affect things like double-clicking to select. And people do seem to want to use U+02BC for this reason (and I'm trying to articulate why that isn't what U+02BC is meant for). James On Fri, Jan 25, 2019 at 12:34 PM Mark Davis ☕️ wrote: > U+2019 is n

Re: Ancient Greek apostrophe marking elision

2019-01-25 Thread Mark Davis ☕️ via Unicode
U+2019 is normally the character used, except where the ’ is considered a letter. When it is between letters it doesn't cause a word break, but because it is also a right single quote, at the end of words there is a break. Thus in a phrase like «tryin’ to go» there is a word break after the n, beca

Re: Encoding italic

2019-01-25 Thread wjgo_10...@btinternet.com via Unicode
Asmus Freytag wrote; Other schemes, like a VS per code point, also suffer from being different in philosophy from "standard" rich text approaches. Best would be as standard extension to all the messaging systems (e.g. a common markdown language, supported by UI). A./ Yet that claim of wh

Ancient Greek apostrophe marking elision

2019-01-25 Thread James Tauber via Unicode
There seems some debate amongst digital classicists in whether to use U+2019 or U+02BC to represent the apostrophe in Ancient Greek when marking elision. (e.g. δ’ for δέ preceding a word starting with a vowel). It seems to me that U+2019 is the technically correct choice per the Unicode Standard b

Re: Encoding italic

2019-01-25 Thread David Starner via Unicode
On Thu, Jan 24, 2019 at 11:16 PM Tex via Unicode wrote: > Twitter was offered as an example, not the only example just one of the most > ubiquitous. Many messaging apps and other apps would benefit from italics. > The argument is not based on adding italics to twitter. And again, color me skept