Re: Accented ij ligatures (was: Unicode Public Review Issues update)

2003-07-02 Thread Doug Ewell
Kent Karlsson wrote: >> Believe it or not, the IJ and ij digraphs *were* included for >> compatibility with an 8-bit legacy character set (ISO 6937). > > 6937 is a multibyte encoding (one or two bytes per character). > There are no combining characters at all in 6937, even though > there is a com

RE: Accented ij ligatures (was: Unicode Public Review Issues update)

2003-07-02 Thread Kent Karlsson
> In either cases, the "Soft_Dotted" property is probably overkill on > the existing or ligatures (should should have been better There is no point in having a soft-dotted property for the capital letter... > named "letters" and not "ligatures") for Dutch. Or is this update > needed to docume

RE: Accented ij ligatures (was: Unicode Public Review Issues update)

2003-07-02 Thread Kent Karlsson
> Believe it or not, the IJ and ij digraphs *were* included for > compatibility with an 8-bit legacy character set (ISO 6937). 6937 is a multibyte encoding (one or two bytes per character). There are no combining characters at all in 6937, even though there is a common misunderstanding that there

Re: Accented ij ligatures (was: Unicode Public Review Issues update)

2003-07-01 Thread Doug Ewell
Philippe Verdy wrote: >> Maybe it was a bad idea to include ij as a character in Unicode at >> all, but now it's there, there's no reason to ignore it when >> refining the rules, to deprecate it practically. > > No, that was needed for correct Dutch support. Look at the case > conversion of into

Re: Accented ij ligatures (was: Unicode Public Review Issues update)

2003-07-01 Thread Philippe Verdy
On Tuesday, July 01, 2003 4:09 PM, Pim Blokland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Maybe it was a bad idea to include ij as a character in Unicode at > all, but now it's there, there's no reason to ignore it when > refining the rules, to deprecate it practically. No, that was needed for correct Dutch sup

Re: Accented ij ligatures (was: Unicode Public Review Issues update)

2003-07-01 Thread Pim Blokland
Michael Everson schreef: > I think the answer is, regarding the soft dot property, please leave > the ij ligature alone. And I think not. When putting accents on the ij (which does happen!), the dots must go. Simple as that. Maybe it was a bad idea to include ij as a character in Unicode at all, bu

Re: Accented ij ligatures (was: Unicode Public Review Issues update)

2003-07-01 Thread Philippe Verdy
On Tuesday, July 01, 2003 1:55 PM, Kent Karlsson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > My feeling about the proposed "Public Review" document should > > exclude the ligature, waiting for the decision about the new > > ligature approved in the first rounds by UTC and > > waiting for approval by ISO JTC.

RE: Accented ij ligatures (was: Unicode Public Review Issues update)

2003-07-01 Thread Kent Karlsson
> > I don't know of any instances where a ij digraph would keep the dots > > AND get additional accent marks, nor of any where the ij would > > appear with a dotless i and dotless j and a single dot above, > > centered between them. Can you give examples? > > No of course: So why do you care? >

Re: Accented ij ligatures (was: Unicode Public Review Issues update)

2003-06-30 Thread Philippe Verdy
On Monday, June 30, 2003 9:13 PM, James H. Cloos Jr. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > So if you want two dots and an acute use ‹ij, U+0308, U+0301›: ij̈́ > > Of course a given font’s diaeresis will often not line up with the > stems of its ij, and a custom one should be used instead. Or > features an

Re: Accented ij ligatures (was: Unicode Public Review Issues update)

2003-06-30 Thread Philippe Verdy
On Monday, June 30, 2003 1:58 PM, Pim Blokland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Philippe Verdy schreef: > > > Interesting issue for the Latin Small "ij" Ligature (U+0133): > > Normally the Soft_Dotted issupposed to make disappear one dot when > > there's and additional diacritic above, but many appli

Accented ij ligatures (was: Unicode Public Review Issues update)

2003-06-30 Thread Pim Blokland
Philippe Verdy schreef: > Interesting issue for the Latin Small "ij" Ligature (U+0133): > Normally the Soft_Dotted issupposed to make disappear one dot when > there's and additional diacritic above, but many applications may > keep these two dots above, fitting the diacritic in the middle. > > Thi