At 03:22 -0800 2004-01-31, Peter Kirk wrote:
Wrong. The math symbols are not used in words in plain text which
are conventionally sorted. The Uralic Phonetic Alphabet letters
certainly are.
Is the issue that fixing these weights is more bother than it's
worth, as Ken suggested? Or is it that th
From: "Peter Kirk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> On 30/01/2004 13:58, Philippe Verdy wrote:
>
> > ...
> >
> >I also agree that small capitals have a tertiary or quaternary
differences,
> >but it's not clear if they are a variant of lowercase when used as a font
> >style for all letters, or of uppercase let
consistency, and less confusion for the
ordinary user of the collation charts who shouldn't see these
letters highlighted at the top level, but rather hidden among a
whole lot of other font variants used only for special purposes.
Wrong. The math symbols are not used in words in plain text
ordinary user of the collation charts who shouldn't see these letters
highlighted at the top level, but rather hidden among a whole lot of
other font variants used only for special purposes.
Wrong. The math symbols are not used in words in plain text which are
conventionally sorted. The U
On 30/01/2004 13:58, Philippe Verdy wrote:
...
I also agree that small capitals have a tertiary or quaternary differences,
but it's not clear if they are a variant of lowercase when used as a font
style for all letters, or of uppercase letters.
Good question. I was assuming of uppercase, but m
At 15:00 -0800 2004-01-30, Peter Kirk wrote:
Nor is that how mathematical alphanumeric symbols are used. But they
are still given compatibility and collation data as if they were. I
am simply looking for some consistency, and less confusion for the
ordinary user of the collation charts who
at is not how these letters are used.
Nor is that how mathematical alphanumeric symbols are used. But they are
still given compatibility and collation data as if they were. I am
simply looking for some consistency, and less confusion for the ordinary
user of the collation charts who shouldn&
From: "Peter Kirk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> On 30/01/2004 09:44, Kenneth Whistler wrote:
>
> >... The latter would be easier
> >to implement, but then would lead to arguments among the
> >perfectionists as to why "small capital" should be a secondary
> >weight distinction when capital versus small is
At 12:02 -0800 2004-01-30, Peter Kirk wrote:
Couldn't you just treat the small caps like the mathematical
alphanumeric symbols, as compatibility variants of ordinary
capital letters - which is after all what they are?
That is their origin. That is not how these letters are used.
--
Michael Ever
treat the small caps like the mathematical
alphanumeric symbols, as compatibility variants of ordinary
capital letters - which is after all what they are? That would I suppose
make the distinction quaternary, at the code point level only, but I
doubt if that matters. And it would tidy up the
On 30/01/2004 09:44, Kenneth Whistler wrote:
... The latter would be easier
to implement, but then would lead to arguments among the
perfectionists as to why "small capital" should be a secondary
weight distinction when capital versus small is a tertiary
weight distinction. And so on and so on...
ght after the group
of characters associated with the primary weight of the base
character.
If you look further in the collation charts outside of Greek, you
will find that this is done consistently this way for the Latin
letters. So "fixing" it for the few Greek small capitals from
UPA wou
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Sent: Sat, 2004 Jan 17 13:52
Subject: Collation charts out of date
The Unicode collation charts, at
http://www.unicode.org/charts/collation/, appear to 18 months out of
date, ...
Thank you, Mark. These new charts look a lot better e.g. for Greek,
except for continued confu
Jan 17 13:52
Subject: Collation charts out of date
> The Unicode collation charts, at
> http://www.unicode.org/charts/collation/, appear to 18 months out of
> date, and based on UCD: 3.2.0 and UCA: 3.1.1d5, according to the small
> print at the bottom of the first column. But they are
The Unicode collation charts, at
http://www.unicode.org/charts/collation/, appear to 18 months out of
date, and based on UCD: 3.2.0 and UCA: 3.1.1d5, according to the small
print at the bottom of the first column. But they are linked to from the
Unicode site as if they are current. This is
Dear ICU users,
We have generated graphical charts that show the sorting order for many locales with
the ICU 2.0 data: http://oss.software.ibm.com/icu/charts/collation/
They are intended to give an easier-to-read overview of the sorting order than the
source data (which lives in CVS, in the loc
Congratulations to Mark Davis for the Collation Charts. They look very fine.
My comment deals with the Arabic part of it.
Classical Arabic order of letters was formed in 7th-8th centuries in early
Quranic times. After Arabs spreaded Islam all over Iran and Persians adopted
the new religion
I am regenerating the collation charts on www.unicode.org, with a somewhat
different format than the old ones. New draft charts are on
http://www.unicode.org/charts/uca/ Comments are welcome.
Mark
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