Re: Greek Characters Duplicated as Latin (was: Sanskrit nasalized L)

2011-09-08 Thread tulasi
Characters Duplicated as Latin (was: Sanskrit nasalized L) To: Richard Wordingham Cc: unicode Unicode Discussion 2011/8/14 Richard Wordingham : > On Sat, 6 Aug 2011 17:25:11 -0700 > tulasi wrote: > >>- Why did Unicode Inc copies some letters/symbols from Greek-script >>

Re: Greek Characters Duplicated as Latin (was: Sanskrit nasalized L)

2011-08-28 Thread Philippe Verdy
Richard Wordingham wrote: > U+0278 LATIN SMALL LETTER PHI is for IPA usage, and, unlike Greek, > always has an ascender. For linguistic Greek usage, the two variants are considered equivalent. This is not the case in Maths where thee two variants are clearly distinct. That's why (La)TeX preserves

Re: Greek Characters Duplicated as Latin (was: Sanskrit nasalized L)

2011-08-27 Thread tulasi
Appreciate it for the info. Wondering whether there are other (in addition to following) Greek letters/symbols that were copied and renamed as LATIN? Thanks, Tulasi From: Richard Wordingham Date: Sun, Aug 14, 2011 at 1:39 PM Subject: Greek Characters Duplicated as Latin (was: Sanskrit

Re: Greek Characters Duplicated as Latin

2011-08-15 Thread Ken Whistler
On 8/15/2011 8:50 AM, Andreas Prilop wrote: > The Ohm sign should have been encoded as another example of "squared" > letters and abbreviations. It comes from Asian character sets, I’d say the ohm sign comes from the MacRoman character set (0xBD). http://www.unicode.org/Public/MAPPINGS/VENDO

Re: Greek Characters Duplicated as Latin

2011-08-15 Thread Jukka K. Korpela
15.8.2011 18:50, Andreas Prilop wrote: Both symbols (micro sign, ohm sign) combine with Latin letters to form multiples of units: micrometre, megaohm; even microohm. Therefore I think one might well regard micro sign and ohm sign as some kind of “pseudo-Latin” letters. Typographically, yes. An

Re: Greek Characters Duplicated as Latin

2011-08-15 Thread Andreas Prilop
On Sun, 14 Aug 2011, Asmus Freytag wrote: > The Ohm sign should have been encoded as another example of "squared" > letters and abbreviations. It comes from Asian character sets, I’d say the ohm sign comes from the MacRoman character set (0xBD). http://www.unicode.org/Public/MAPPINGS/VENDORS/MIC

Re: Greek Characters Duplicated as Latin

2011-08-15 Thread Philippe Verdy
2011/8/15 Jukka K. Korpela : > 15.8.2011 13:36, Philippe Verdy wrote: > >> Don't be surprised then if you see the micro sign on all standard >> French keyboards of computers (even those sold today). This is the >> only Greek letter supported there. > > I remember that I was surprised at seeing that

Re: Greek Characters Duplicated as Latin

2011-08-15 Thread Jukka K. Korpela
15.8.2011 13:36, Philippe Verdy wrote: Don't be surprised then if you see the micro sign on all standard French keyboards of computers (even those sold today). This is the only Greek letter supported there. I remember that I was surprised at seeing that common Finnish keyboards world produce

Re: Greek Characters Duplicated as Latin

2011-08-15 Thread Karl Pentzlin
Am Montag, 15. August 2011 um 12:36 schrieb Philippe Verdy: PV> Don't be surprised then if you see the micro sign on all standard PV> French keyboards of computers (even those sold today). This is the PV> only Greek letter supported there. It is also engraved on all German keyboards (to be input

Re: Greek Characters Duplicated as Latin

2011-08-15 Thread Arno Schmitt
Philippe Verdy> (and forgetting the support of accented capitals)... which is time honored French practice http://j.poitou.free.fr/pro/html/typ/cap-accents.html

Re: Greek Characters Duplicated as Latin

2011-08-15 Thread Philippe Verdy
2011/8/14 Asmus Freytag : > Because the micro sign was widely implemented in systems and fonts that do > not support the full set of Greek characters, I wouldn't be surprised to > find that there are instances where the design was adjusted to make it "fit" > better in a Latin environment. If so, th

Re: Greek Characters Duplicated as Latin (was: Sanskrit nasalized L)

2011-08-15 Thread Richard Wordingham
On Sun, 14 Aug 2011 23:57:50 +0200 Philippe Verdy wrote: > (But you could argue that an OpenType feature could also allow > selecting the technical symbols in technical documents, if there's > support in word processors for selecting such typographic feature; > this is probably overkill because t

Re: Greek Characters Duplicated as Latin (was: Sanskrit nasalized L)

2011-08-14 Thread Philippe Verdy
2011/8/14 Richard Wordingham : > On Sat, 6 Aug 2011 17:25:11 -0700 > tulasi wrote: > >>    - Why did Unicode Inc copies some letters/symbols from Greek-script >>    irresponsibly and renamed as Latin-script? >>    - Why din't it (Unicode Inc) use same Greek letters/symbols? > > U+00B5 MICRO SIGN i

Re: Greek Characters Duplicated as Latin

2011-08-14 Thread Asmus Freytag
On 8/14/2011 1:39 PM, Richard Wordingham wrote: U+00B5 MICRO SIGN is an ISO-8859-1 character, and was therefore included as U+00B5. It normally precedes a Latin-script letter, and therefore it actually makes sense to treat it as a Latin-script character, and possibly give it a different shape i

Greek Characters Duplicated as Latin (was: Sanskrit nasalized L)

2011-08-14 Thread Richard Wordingham
On Sat, 6 Aug 2011 17:25:11 -0700 tulasi wrote: >- Why did Unicode Inc copies some letters/symbols from Greek-script >irresponsibly and renamed as Latin-script? >- Why din't it (Unicode Inc) use same Greek letters/symbols? U+00B5 MICRO SIGN is an ISO-8859-1 character, and was therefo