Re: Names for control characters

2014-03-13 Thread Steffen Nurpmeso
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RE: Names for control characters

2014-03-12 Thread Whistler, Ken
Per continued: > I know it's not a name. My question was *why* control characters don't > *have* names like > > CONTROL CHARACTER NULL > CONTROL CHARACTER START OF HEADING > CONTROL CHARACTER START OF TEXT > etc. > > It would be so obvious to have it like that, so I assume there is some

Re: Names for control characters

2014-03-12 Thread Markus Scherer
On Wed, Mar 12, 2014 at 12:37 PM, Per Starbäck wrote: > My question was *why* control characters don't > *have* names > That's because formally the ISO control codes do not have one fixed, normative meaning; implementers may or may not follow ISO 6429. That is why these don't have names in ISO 10

Re: Names for control characters

2014-03-12 Thread Eli Zaretskii
> From: starb...@stp.lingfil.uu.se (Per Starbäck) > Cc: Eli Zaretskii , "unicode\@unicode.org" > Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2014 20:37:57 +0100 > > This is not about Emacs. Emacs was an example of a program that has use > for character names, and has a harder job because of this strangeness. > Too bad tha

Re: Names for control characters

2014-03-12 Thread Per Starbäck
Ken Whistler wrote: > Please be very careful here. Having a non-empty value in field 1 of > UnicodeData.txt is *not* the same has "having a Unicode name". > > See: > > http://www.unicode.org/versions/Unicode6.2.0/ch04.pdf#G135207 I know it's not a name. My question was *why* control characters don

Re: Names for control characters (Was: "(in 6429)" in allkeys.txt)

2014-03-12 Thread Eli Zaretskii
> From: "Whistler, Ken" > Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2014 16:48:25 + > Cc: "Whistler, Ken" , > "unicode@unicode.org" > > Please be very careful here. Having a non-empty value in field 1 of > UnicodeData.txt is *not* the same has "having a Unicode name". You will see that I didn't refer to th

RE: Names for control characters (Was: "(in 6429)" in allkeys.txt)

2014-03-12 Thread Whistler, Ken
Please be very careful here. Having a non-empty value in field 1 of UnicodeData.txt is *not* the same has "having a Unicode name". See: http://www.unicode.org/versions/Unicode6.2.0/ch04.pdf#G135207 for the gory details. The "Unicode name" is formally defined in terms of the Name property, which

Re: Names for control characters (Was: "(in 6429)" in allkeys.txt)

2014-03-12 Thread Eli Zaretskii
> From: starb...@stp.lingfil.uu.se (Per Starbäck) > Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2014 13:32:15 +0100 > Cc: "unicode@unicode.org" > > Regarding these names in ISO 6429 again, how come these control > characters don't have Unicode names? They have a non-empty "old name" field: ;;Cc;0;BN;N;NULL

Re: Names for control characters (Was: "(in 6429)" in allkeys.txt)

2014-03-12 Thread Mark Davis ☕
They do have aliases in NameAliases.txt ;NULL;control ;NUL;abbreviation 0001;START OF HEADING;control 0001;SOH;abbreviation 0002;START OF TEXT;control 0002;STX;abbreviation ... Mark *— Il meglio è l’inimico del bene —* On Wed, Mar 12, 2014 at 1:3

Names for control characters (Was: "(in 6429)" in allkeys.txt)

2014-03-12 Thread Per Starbäck
Ken Whistler wrote: > Ah, I see what the interpretation problem was. Yes, that is > a straightforward kind of improvement -- easily enough done. > Look for a change the next time the file is updated. (It will not > be immediately changed, pending other review comments.) Thanks! Then I'll skip maki

Re: Unicode 1.0 names for control characters

2001-12-04 Thread Kenneth Whistler
Doug wrote: > I am surprised and puzzled by the "Unicode 1.0 Name" changes for some of the > ASCII and Latin-1 control characters that were introduced in the latest beta > version of the Unicode 3.2 data file (UnicodeData-3.2.0d5.txt): > > U+0009 HORIZONTAL TABULATION ==> CHARACTER TABULATI

RE: Unicode 1.0 names for control characters

2001-12-04 Thread Kent Karlsson
ROTECTED]]On > Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: den 4 december 2001 06:31 > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Unicode 1.0 names for control characters > > > I am surprised and puzzled by the "Unicode 1.0 Name" changes > for some of the > ASCII and Latin-1 control

Unicode 1.0 names for control characters

2001-12-03 Thread DougEwell2
I am surprised and puzzled by the "Unicode 1.0 Name" changes for some of the ASCII and Latin-1 control characters that were introduced in the latest beta version of the Unicode 3.2 data file (UnicodeData-3.2.0d5.txt): U+0009 HORIZONTAL TABULATION ==> CHARACTER TABULATION U+000B VERTICAL TAB