Re: ANSI requires licence fees to use ISO language and country code?

2003-03-27 Thread John Cowan
[EMAIL PROTECTED] scripsit: > Given the not-complete stability of ISO 3166, some might be motivated > toward an alternative for other reasons. The numeric codes are not managed by the RA but by the UN Statistics Division, are freely available for any use, and are rock-stable. I recommend them.

RE: ANSI requires licence fees to use ISO language and country code?

2003-03-27 Thread Peter_Constable
Asmus Freytag wrote on 03/21/2003 06:36:23 PM: > If there really is an attempt to license the use (= implementation) of the > standard, > not just its republication, then the appropriate response might be to look for > alternatives. Given the not-complete stability of ISO 3166, some might be m

RE: ANSI requires licence fees to use ISO language and country code?

2003-03-21 Thread Asmus Freytag
At 12:15 PM 3/21/03 -0800, Kenneth Whistler wrote: Let's try this one on for size: == However, if you load the list of ISO/IEC 10646 character codes in a commercial product, thus giving an added value to your product, we c

RE: ANSI requires licence fees to use ISO language and country code?

2003-03-21 Thread Michael Everson
I wonder if I could get a royalty for every letter I have encoded in the standard. Har har har har har. -- Michael Everson * * Everson Typography * * http://www.evertype.com

Re: ANSI requires licence fees to use ISO language and country code?

2003-03-21 Thread Michael Everson
For what it is worth, TC46/WG2 resolved to request TC46 that the entire technical contents of ISO 3166-1 be made freely available on the web. Currently only the short country names and 2-letter codes are freely available from the official site. -- Michael Everson * * Everson Typography * * http

RE: ANSI requires licence fees to use ISO language and country code?

2003-03-21 Thread Kenneth Whistler
Michael, > A representative of ISO sent this to me today. > > >I do not know about ANSI but for ISO/CS the quote given below from > >http://www.iso.org/iso/en/prods-services/iso3166ma/02iso-3166-code-lists/ind > >ex.html is certainly correct. > > > >We make a distinction between implementation an

RE: ANSI requires licence fees to use ISO language and country code?

2003-03-21 Thread Roozbeh Pournader
On Fri, 21 Mar 2003, Michael Everson wrote: > >However, if you load the list of country codes and names in a > >commercial product, thus giving an added value to your product, we > >consider it normal that ISO asks for the payment of a royalty fee. What about Open Source software like ICU (that i

Re: ANSI requires licence fees to use ISO language and country code?

2003-03-21 Thread Michael Yau
Also, I heard that the licensing is on a yearly basis. Michael Everson wrote: A representative of ISO sent this to me today. I do not know about ANSI but for ISO/CS the quote given below from http://www.iso.org/iso/en/prods-services/iso3166ma/02iso-3166-code-lists/ind ex.html is certainly corr

RE: ANSI requires licence fees to use ISO language and country code?

2003-03-21 Thread Michael Everson
A representative of ISO sent this to me today. I do not know about ANSI but for ISO/CS the quote given below from http://www.iso.org/iso/en/prods-services/iso3166ma/02iso-3166-code-lists/ind ex.html is certainly correct. We make a distinction between implementation and commercial use. I have no id

Re: ANSI requires licence fees to use ISO language and country code?

2003-03-20 Thread Michael Yau
Let us know what you find out. Thanks, - Michael Michael Everson wrote: That is mighty odd. I have forwarded a query about it to the 3166/MA. I was in Paris Monday and Tuesday of this week at the TC46/WG2 meeting where 3166 matters and other matters were discussed.

Re: ANSI requires licence fees to use ISO language and country code?

2003-03-20 Thread Kenneth Whistler
I'm guessing this may be related to the fact that ISO is now delivering ISO 3166-1/2 codes "in the form of two Microsoft Access 2000 databases." (Although you can also order the standards without the database files.) http://www.iso.ch/iso/en/prods-services/iso3166ma/05database/index.html Trying t

Re: ANSI requires licence fees to use ISO language and country code?

2003-03-20 Thread Michael Yau
Ken, Here's an excerpt from the ISO site: The short country names from ISO 3166-1 and the alpha-2 codes are made available by ISO at no charge for internal use and non-commercial purposes. The use of ISO 3166-1 in commercial products may be subject

Re: ANSI requires licence fees to use ISO language and country code?

2003-03-20 Thread Peter_Constable
> I heard that ANSI requires companies to pay a licence fee if they > use ISO language and country codes in their products. This is absolutely incorrect. One has to pay to buy a hard copy of these standards, and I think part 2 of ISO 3166 can only be obtained by purchase. But the code tables for

Re: ANSI requires licence fees to use ISO language and country code?

2003-03-20 Thread Kenneth Whistler
ANSI has membership fees, accreditation fees, and a scheme for site licensing for access to standards documents. But I've never heard of a license fee for *use* of ISO 639 or ISO 3166 codes. Once you acquire the standard, you should be able to freely use it. That is how ISO standards work. Where a