Re: CYRILIC CAPITAL/SMALL LETTER PE WITH DESCENDER

2004-10-11 Thread Eric Muller
I have found a couple of books on Abkhaz, and I have scanned some pages. They are at . Page 88 of the second book is a reproduction of a third book, which seems very interesting, but that I have not been able to locate. Eric.

Re: CYRILIC CAPITAL/SMALL LETTER PE WITH DESCENDER

2004-09-28 Thread Peter Kirk
On 28/09/2004 21:03, Michael Everson wrote: At 12:59 -0700 2004-09-28, Joe Becker \(Unicode\) wrote: > I'm not going to stipulate that those giant hooks ARE descenders You don't have to. I am telling you that these codes were assigned to the extended pe variant that occurs in Abkhazian, and have

Re: CYRILIC CAPITAL/SMALL LETTER PE WITH DESCENDER

2004-09-28 Thread Peter Kirk
On 28/09/2004 19:36, Joe Becker (Unicode) wrote: Eric, U+04A6/U+04A7 *is* the Abkhazian character, this has been stated since Unicode 1.0. The glyph form of these hooks/descenders has always shown great variability as Peter says. In Soviet-era books available when this was first encoded, Cyrillic

RE: CYRILIC CAPITAL/SMALL LETTER PE WITH DESCENDER

2004-09-28 Thread Joe Becker \(Unicode\)
> I'm not going to stipulate that those giant hooks ARE descenders You don't have to. I am telling you that these codes were assigned to the extended pe variant that occurs in Abkhazian, and have always been so annotated. > We have seen examples where hook and descender are distinct Iff you

RE: CYRILIC CAPITAL/SMALL LETTER PE WITH DESCENDER

2004-09-28 Thread Michael Everson
At 12:59 -0700 2004-09-28, Joe Becker \(Unicode\) wrote: > I'm not going to stipulate that those giant hooks ARE descenders You don't have to. I am telling you that these codes were assigned to the extended pe variant that occurs in Abkhazian, and have always been so annotated. The extended pe

RE: CYRILIC CAPITAL/SMALL LETTER PE WITH DESCENDER

2004-09-28 Thread Michael Everson
At 11:36 -0700 2004-09-28, Joe Becker \(Unicode\) wrote: Eric, U+04A6/U+04A7 *is* the Abkhazian character, this has been stated since Unicode 1.0. I'm not going to stipulate that those giant hooks ARE descenders. We have seen examples where hook and descender are distinct. The glyph form of thes

RE: CYRILIC CAPITAL/SMALL LETTER PE WITH DESCENDER

2004-09-28 Thread Joe Becker \(Unicode\)
Eric, U+04A6/U+04A7 *is* the Abkhazian character, this has been stated since Unicode 1.0. The glyph form of these hooks/descenders has always shown great variability as Peter says. In Soviet-era books available when this was first encoded, Cyrillic extensions were often handwritten in, and ha

Re: CYRILIC CAPITAL/SMALL LETTER PE WITH DESCENDER

2004-09-28 Thread Peter Kirk
On 28/09/2004 17:09, Eric Muller wrote: Michael Everson wrote: At 08:12 -0700 2004-09-28, Eric Muller wrote: It seems that Abkhaz, written in Cyrillic, uses a PE WITH DESCENDER, but I can't find this case pair in Unicode. I am missing something, or do we need to encode those? U+04A6, U+04A7 are

Re: CYRILIC CAPITAL/SMALL LETTER PE WITH DESCENDER

2004-09-28 Thread Peter Kirk
On 28/09/2004 16:12, Eric Muller wrote: It seems that Abkhaz, written in Cyrillic, uses a PE WITH DESCENDER, but I can't find this case pair in Unicode. I am missing something, or do we need to encode those? Evidence: - Daniels and Bright, p717, table 60.15, right column, 6th entry. - Universal

Re: CYRILIC CAPITAL/SMALL LETTER PE WITH DESCENDER

2004-09-28 Thread Michael Everson
At 09:09 -0700 2004-09-28, Eric Muller wrote: Isn't it problematic to have the distinction between (MIDDLE) HOOK and DESCENDER for GHE (494/4F6), KA (4C3/49A) and arguably EN (4C7/4C9) but not for PE? If PE-DESCENDER is really used in Abkhaz. I wouldn't take the chart in D&B for gospel. I haven'

Re: CYRILIC CAPITAL/SMALL LETTER PE WITH DESCENDER

2004-09-28 Thread Eric Muller
Michael Everson wrote: At 08:12 -0700 2004-09-28, Eric Muller wrote: It seems that Abkhaz, written in Cyrillic, uses a PE WITH DESCENDER, but I can't find this case pair in Unicode. I am missing something, or do we need to encode those? U+04A6, U+04A7 are used in Abkhaz for that sound, I believe

Re: CYRILIC CAPITAL/SMALL LETTER PE WITH DESCENDER

2004-09-28 Thread Michael Everson
At 08:12 -0700 2004-09-28, Eric Muller wrote: It seems that Abkhaz, written in Cyrillic, uses a PE WITH DESCENDER, but I can't find this case pair in Unicode. I am missing something, or do we need to encode those? U+04A6, U+04A7 are used in Abkhaz for that sound, I believe. -- Michael Everson * *