RE: Complex Combining

2003-12-01 Thread Arcane Jill
rom: Philippe Verdy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2003 2:21 AM To: Peter Kirk Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Complex Combining I think it would be simple to have invisible parentheses in that case, and be able to apply the diacritic in the group: invisible open

RE: Complex Combining

2003-12-01 Thread Jonathan Coxhead
My take on Cleanicode, the Atomic Theory of Unicode, can be found at http://www.doves.demon.co.uk/atomic.html. It is very much a software engineer's view of character coding. The characters START GROUP and POP DIRECTIONAL FORMATTING are used as brackets. Yes, it could involve arbitrary

RE: Complex Combining

2003-12-01 Thread jameskass
. Jonathan Coxhead wrote, ...http://www.doves.demon.co.uk/atomic.html. Quoting from the page, ... the longest word you can write upside-down in Unicode is `aftereffect?). In UTF-8: zʎxʍʌnʇsɹbdouɯլʞſ̣ı̣ɥɓɟəpɔqɐ Best regards, James Kass .

Re: Complex Combining

2003-11-28 Thread Andrew C. West
On Thu, 27 Nov 2003 08:11:55 -0800, Peter Kirk wrote: This is all rather interesting speculation. There are surely a lot of potential cases in scripts where some kind of combining mark can be considered as applying to a sequence of an arbitrary number of characters. For example:

RE: Complex Combining

2003-11-28 Thread Arcane Jill
] Sent: Friday, November 28, 2003 9:57 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Complex Combining Whenever I read threads like this one (and they resurface with monotonous regularity) I do wonder whether the participants have ever read TUS Section 2.2 Unicode Design

Re: Complex Combining

2003-11-28 Thread Peter Kirk
On 28/11/2003 01:57, Andrew C. West wrote: ... These are all specialised cases that are strictly necessary in order to represent the respective scripts. General text formatting such as underlining or arbitrary encirclement of characters (or cartouchement of ideographs which is common in

RE: Complex Combining

2003-11-28 Thread Andrew C. West
On Fri, 28 Nov 2003 10:32:51 +, Arcane Jill wrote: You are getting personal and indulging in ad hominem. I consider this out of order. Wow, people really are tetchy today. The published Mail List Rules and Etiquette state that Correspondents should remain tolerably polite and consider

Re: Complex Combining

2003-11-28 Thread Jungshik Shin
On Fri, 28 Nov 2003, Peter Kirk wrote: confirmed what I wrote. Some of my cases have already been encoded in Unicode, and in just the way I suggested; others are considered (by the UTC, or just by you?) as rich text. Like Jill, I see some possible inconsistency. One point of this discussion

RE: Complex Combining

2003-11-28 Thread Philippe Verdy
Peter Kirk writes: On 28/11/2003 01:57, Andrew C. West wrote: These are all specialised cases that are strictly necessary in order to represent the respective scripts. General text formatting such as underlining or arbitrary encirclement of characters (or cartouchement of ideographs which

RE: Complex Combining

2003-11-27 Thread Philippe Verdy
Peter Kirk writes: This is all rather interesting speculation. Yes but it is not illegal to use these conventions as it is still Unicode text. It just happens that Unicode does not define precisely the semantic of such composed text, using ZWJ as an unspecified ligature opportunity, but not

RE: Complex Combining

2003-11-27 Thread Philippe Verdy
Arcane Jill writes: I still like the invisible brackets idea. That would make the precedence explicit. As in: INVISIBLE_LEFT_BRACKET + 9 + 2 + INVISIBLE_RIGHT_BRACKET + COMBINING_ENCLOSING_CIRCLE I also like it. As I said, they should be given the property of punctuation, like parentheses.

RE: Complex Combining

2003-11-27 Thread Philippe Verdy
-Message d'origine- De :Philippe Verdy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Envoye :jeudi 27 novembre 2003 23:29 A : Arcane Jill Cc :[EMAIL PROTECTED] Objet : RE: Complex Combining Arcane Jill writes: I still like the invisible brackets idea. That would make the precedence