Re: Why call kanji/hanji/hanja 'ideographs' when almost none are?

2001-06-05 Thread Jon Babcock
Richard Cook asked which kanji I was thinking of that probably warrant the term 'ideograph'. And Michael ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) answered: Characters like 'above', 'below', 'center' ... depends on what you are willing to accept as 'an idea' and when you start calling it a 'snapshot of an

Re: Why call kanji/hanji/hanja 'ideographs' when almost none are?

2001-06-04 Thread てんどう瘢雹りゅう瘢雹じ
Call 'em this: U+6F22 U+5B57 (漢字). If you want to know what to call them in running English text, just call them "Han characters", since that is what the Asians call them in their own languages. I mean, who is the real U+3070 U+304B U+3084 U+308D U+3046 here??

Re: Why call kanji/hanji/hanja 'ideographs' when almost none are?

2001-06-03 Thread akerbeltz.alba
oh, and BTW, Jon, what ~10 are you thinking of? I can't think of any ... Characters like 'above', 'below', 'center' ... depends on what you are willing to accept as 'an idea' and when you start calling it a 'snapshot of an action' like the words for 'music/medicine', 'learn' etc. Apart from

RE: Why call kanji/hanji/hanja 'ideographs' when almost none are?

2001-06-03 Thread Carl W. Brown
Jon, Most Kanji have Kun readings. The fact that they also have On readings as well is not material. Calling Kanji ideographic is referring to their Kun properties. I find that most foreigners who know nothing about Japanese are completely unaware of On readings and how Kanji are also used as

Re: Why call kanji/hanji/hanja 'ideographs' when almost none are?

2001-06-02 Thread Richard Cook
John H. Jenkins wrote: At 4:16 PM -0600 6/1/01, Jon Babcock wrote: The Asia/East Asian/CJK thread reminded me of one of my own pet peeves, the use of 'ideograph' to refer to kanji. Perhaps some of the professionals on this list can enlighten me here. I thought that an ideograph meant

Re: Why call kanji/hanji/hanja 'ideographs' when almost none are?

2001-06-02 Thread Richard Cook
Jon Babcock wrote: The Asia/East Asian/CJK thread reminded me of one of my own pet peeves, the use of 'ideograph' to refer to kanji. Perhaps some of the professionals on this list can enlighten me here. I thought that an ideograph meant that the graph stood for an idea, not a sound or a

Re: Why call kanji/hanji/hanja 'ideographs' when almost none are?

2001-06-01 Thread John H. Jenkins
At 4:16 PM -0600 6/1/01, Jon Babcock wrote: The Asia/East Asian/CJK thread reminded me of one of my own pet peeves, the use of 'ideograph' to refer to kanji. Perhaps some of the professionals on this list can enlighten me here. I thought that an ideograph meant that the graph stood for an