Re: Why call kanji/hanji/hanja 'ideographs' when almost none are?

2001-06-05 Thread Jon Babcock
Richard Cook asked which kanji I was thinking of that probably warrant the term 'ideograph'. And Michael ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) answered: >Characters like 'above', 'below', 'center' ... depends on what you are >willing to accept as 'an idea' and when you start calling it a 'snapshot >of an acti

Re: Why call kanji/hanji/hanja 'ideographs' when almost none are?

2001-06-04 Thread
Call 'em this: U+6F22 U+5B57 (漢字). If you want to know what to call them in running English text, just call them "Han characters", since that is what the Asians call them in their own languages. I mean, who is the real U+3070 U+304B U+3084 U+308D U+3046 here?? ★じゅういっちゃん★

RE: Why call kanji/hanji/hanja 'ideographs' when almost none are?

2001-06-03 Thread Carl W. Brown
Babcock Sent: Friday, June 01, 2001 3:17 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Why call kanji/hanji/hanja 'ideographs' when almost none are? The Asia/East Asian/CJK thread reminded me of one of my own pet peeves, the use of 'ideograph' to refer to kanji. Perhaps some of the profession

Re: Why call kanji/hanji/hanja 'ideographs' when almost none are?

2001-06-03 Thread akerbeltz.alba
> oh, and BTW, Jon, what ~10 are you thinking of? I can't think of any ... Characters like 'above', 'below', 'center' ... depends on what you are willing to accept as 'an idea' and when you start calling it a 'snapshot of an action' like the words for 'music/medicine', 'learn' etc. Apart from th

Re: Why call kanji/hanji/hanja 'ideographs' when almost none are?

2001-06-02 Thread Richard Cook
Jon Babcock wrote: > > The Asia/East Asian/CJK thread reminded me of one of my own pet peeves, > the use of 'ideograph' to refer to kanji. > > Perhaps some of the professionals on this list can enlighten me here. I > thought that an ideograph meant that the graph stood for an idea, not a > soun

Re: Why call kanji/hanji/hanja 'ideographs' when almost none are?

2001-06-02 Thread Richard Cook
"John H. Jenkins" wrote: > > At 4:16 PM -0600 6/1/01, Jon Babcock wrote: > >The Asia/East Asian/CJK thread reminded me of one of my own pet > >peeves, the use of 'ideograph' to refer to kanji. > > > >Perhaps some of the professionals on this list can enlighten me > >here. I thought that an ideogr

Re: Why call kanji/hanji/hanja 'ideographs' when almost none are?

2001-06-01 Thread
So by this definition, are all digits and most currency symbols ideographs? ★じゅういっちゃん★ "AIS TSXQ QDOO TD AISC TDQMIG, HYCTDL, ZIC HIIUPLB XSHM GDOPHPISX CYTDL." "QMD XDHCDQ, AIS XDD, PX QMDCD'X LI CDHPWD. P VSXQ WSQ RMYQ P MYED KA TA YCT PL." . Meanwhile, the glossary does give

Re: Why call kanji/hanji/hanja 'ideographs' when almost none are?

2001-06-01 Thread John H. Jenkins
At 4:16 PM -0600 6/1/01, Jon Babcock wrote: >The Asia/East Asian/CJK thread reminded me of one of my own pet >peeves, the use of 'ideograph' to refer to kanji. > >Perhaps some of the professionals on this list can enlighten me >here. I thought that an ideograph meant that the graph stood for an

Why call kanji/hanji/hanja 'ideographs' when almost none are?

2001-06-01 Thread Jon Babcock
The Asia/East Asian/CJK thread reminded me of one of my own pet peeves, the use of 'ideograph' to refer to kanji. Perhaps some of the professionals on this list can enlighten me here. I thought that an ideograph meant that the graph stood for an idea, not a sound or a zographic image. Since o