Re: definition of plain text

2011-10-17 Thread Peter Cyrus
Perhaps the idea of something embedded in the text that then controls the display of the subsequent run of text is the very definition of markup, whether or not that markup is a special character or an ASCII sequence like /spanspan style=gait:xxx; or /spanspan style=font:xxx;. On Mon, Oct 17,

Re: definition of plain text

2011-10-17 Thread Ken Whistler
On 10/17/2011 1:23 AM, Peter Cyrus wrote: Perhaps the idea of something embedded in the text that then controls the display of the subsequent run of text is the very definition of markup, whether or not that markup is a special character or an ASCII sequence like/spanspan style=gait:xxx;

Re: definition of plain text

2011-10-17 Thread Peter Cyrus
It's been done already : the International Phonetic Alphabet. If we all just wrote in that, it would make Unicode much easier to implement, too. I'm just working on Plan B, just in case. On Mon, Oct 17, 2011 at 8:48 PM, Ken Whistler k...@sybase.com wrote: On 10/17/2011 1:23 AM, Peter Cyrus

Re: definition of plain text

2011-10-17 Thread Peter Cyrus
Your idea of propagation seems worth exploring - thanks! On Mon, Oct 17, 2011 at 1:07 AM, Richard Wordingham richard.wording...@ntlworld.com wrote: On Sun, 16 Oct 2011 21:37:20 +0200 Peter Cyrus pcy...@alivox.net wrote: Perhaps, awkwardly.  But that is ultimately equivalent to marking the

Re: definition of plain text

2011-10-16 Thread Richard Wordingham
On Sat, 15 Oct 2011 04:37:11 +0200 Peter Cyrus pcy...@alivox.net wrote: Ken, your explanation seems more permissive than I had anticipated. One particularity of this script is that it is written in different gaits, depending on the phonology of the language. Languages with open syllables,

Re: definition of plain text

2011-10-16 Thread Richard Wordingham
On Sun, 16 Oct 2011 21:37:20 +0200 Peter Cyrus pcy...@alivox.net wrote: Perhaps, awkwardly. But that is ultimately equivalent to marking the gait on every letter, in which case I probably wouldn't need to distinguish between initial and non-initial letters. If you allow C(R)V(C) as a 'fixed'

definition of plain text

2011-10-14 Thread Peter Cyrus
Is there a definition or guideline for the distinction between plain text and rich text? For example, in the expression 3², the exponent is a single character, superscript two. Semantically, this expression is equivalent to 3^2, using a visible character to indicate exponentiation and then

Re: definition of plain text

2011-10-14 Thread satai
On Fri, Oct 14, 2011 at 9:49 AM, Peter Cyrus pcy...@alivox.net wrote: For that matter, perhaps the normal space is a type of markup, especially when it triggers the use of a final variant in the previous character. Not the following space, but a word boundary triggers the use of a final variant

Re: definition of plain text

2011-10-14 Thread Ken Whistler
On 10/13/2011 10:49 PM, Peter Cyrus wrote: Is there a definition or guideline for the distinction between plain text and rich text? I think where you may be getting hung up is trying to define plain text versus rich text in terms of the content and/or appearance of the text (i.e. the

Re: definition of plain text

2011-10-14 Thread Joó Ádám
Ken, Peter asked for what the Unicode Consortium considers plain text, ie. what principles it apllies when deciding whether to encode a certain element or aspect of writing as a character. In turn, you thoroughly explained that plain text is what the Unicode Consortium considered to be plain text

Re: definition of plain text

2011-10-14 Thread Ken Whistler
On 10/14/2011 11:47 AM, Joó Ádám wrote: Peter asked for what the Unicode Consortium considers plain text, ie. what principles it apllies when deciding whether to encode a certain element or aspect of writing as a character. In turn, you thoroughly explained that plain text is what the Unicode

Re: definition of plain text

2011-10-14 Thread Peter Cyrus
Ken, your explanation seems more permissive than I had anticipated. Your example of 3sup2/sup would seem to me at risk of behaving in unforeseen ways if, for instance, it were split up. Wouldn't it match a string up 2? Wouldn't it fail to match 3²? I guess I thought that plain text should be