On 21 Nov 2011, at 07:23, Julian Bradfield wrote:
Marking the (usually automatic) elisions is markup for elementary students.
I can't think of any reason why this shouldn't be achievable in plain text.
Many encoded characters exist for paedagogical reasons.
Michael Everson *
Michael Everson 於 2011年11月21日 上午3:37 寫道：
On 21 Nov 2011, at 07:23, Julian Bradfield wrote:
Marking the (usually automatic) elisions is markup for elementary students.
I can't think of any reason why this shouldn't be achievable in plain text.
Many encoded characters exist for
Leaving aside that CSS is presentation and not content, and is
definitely not markup. HTML is a better candidate.
Á
From: unicode-bou...@unicode.org [mailto:unicode-bou...@unicode.org] On Behalf
Of Philippe Verdy
This arc is a true phonetic mark of a contextual elision...
Exactly similar to other phonetic symbols like the elision tie
There are two kinds of arc shown in the image:
- arcs that span a space
On 11/20/2011 8:00 AM, Joó Ádám wrote:
Leaving aside that CSS is presentation and not content, and is
definitely not markup. HTML is a better candidate.
Á
The details of the appearance of the mark would be presentation.
The scoping, like for applying every other style feature, would have to
Den 2011-11-20 20:50, skrev Peter Constable peter...@microsoft.com:
Note that UTR 20 discusses semantic and presentation effects that are suitable
for representation as characters versus markup and makes the point that, in
XML, effects that involve spans of text should be represented using
2011/11/20 Asmus Freytag asm...@ix.netcom.com:
On 11/20/2011 8:00 AM, Joó Ádám wrote:
Leaving aside that CSS is presentation and not content, and is
definitely not markup. HTML is a better candidate.
The details of the appearance of the mark would be presentation.
The scoping, like for
On 2011/11/21 5:54, Asmus Freytag wrote:
On 11/20/2011 8:00 AM, Joó Ádám wrote:
Leaving aside that CSS is presentation and not content, and is
definitely not markup. HTML is a better candidate.
Á
The details of the appearance of the mark would be presentation.
The scoping, like for applying
On 2011-11-21, Philippe Verdy verd...@wanadoo.fr wrote:
I completely disagree that these are presentation details in the
example I supplied.
This (composition of verses) is an essential part of the classical
Latin poem presented, which is really intended to be read orally with
a very precise
What is missing here is the recognition that having a *standard*
way of expressing such features (text scoring) is desirable. Suggesting
that this be left of one-off implementations or some markup language
is not helpful to people interested in using such features.
What is, of course. equally
On 11/17/2011 11:28 PM, Philippe Verdy wrote:
Could the Unicode text specify that a left half mark, when it is
followed by a right half-mark on the same line, has to be joined ? And
which character can we select in a font to mark the intermediate
characters between them ?
No.
This kind of
Ken, you mention defined markup constructions, but nothing would prevent
specialized rendering software from, for example, connecting a left half
mark with the corresponding right half mark via titlo, even though the text
is still only plain text with no markup, right? The titlo would simply not
On 11/18/2011 11:21 AM, Peter Cyrus wrote:
Ken, you mention defined markup constructions, but nothing would
prevent specialized rendering software from, for example, connecting a
left half mark with the corresponding right half mark via titlo, even
though the text is still only plain text with
I mention it because I think plain text could at least indicate what
_should_ display (instead of what *does* display), and a rich environment
could make the same text look great.
I think we'll all need for a long time more to write text that displays
adequately as plain text in the absence of
imaginablePeter Cyrus pcyrus at alivox dot net wrote:
I think we'll all need for a long time more to write text that displays
adequately as plain text in the absence of even OpenType advancexd typography
features.
s/OpenType/rich-text/
or maybe
s/OpenType/fancy-text/
Rich text is not
2011/11/18 Ken Whistler k...@sybase.com:
On 11/17/2011 11:28 PM, Philippe Verdy wrote:
Could the Unicode text specify that a left half mark, when it is
followed by a right half-mark on the same line, has to be joined ? And
which character can we select in a font to mark the intermediate
This example is also NOT a titlo. What I am looking for here, is the
possibility of using a conjoining middle mark for connecting the two
half marks of the inverted breve (in fact top create a long arc).
But I cannot use the middle conjoining U+FE26 on the middle letter(s)
with the U+FE20 and
On 11/18/2011 5:24 PM, Philippe Verdy wrote:
This arc in the example is definitely NOT mathematics
Nor did I say it was.
(even if you
have read a version where it was attempted to represent it using a
Math TeX notation in this page, an obvious error because it used an
angular \widehat and
On 11/18/2011 5:36 PM, Philippe Verdy wrote:
I have absolutely no clear way to represent sequences like in this
example that use such elongated diacritic applied to runs of more than
two characters.
Nor should you expect to be able to represent such things in plain text.
Such
conventions are
2011/11/19 Ken Whistler k...@sybase.com:
On 11/18/2011 5:24 PM, Philippe Verdy wrote:
This arc in the example is definitely NOT mathematics
Nor did I say it was.
(even if you
have read a version where it was attempted to represent it using a
Math TeX notation in this page, an obvious
How can we encode long runs of characters surrounded by an inverted
breve, when there are more than 2 characters in the run ?
For now we can use combining half marks for macrons, but the
conjoining behavior of the combining conjoining macron is not
warrantied with womething else than half-marks
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