Re: [UC] Zoning point simplified

2008-02-21 Thread Frank
On Feb 22, 2008, at 12:10 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Let's keep it simple for Tony since I find his sarcasm daunting. Not to mention aggressive. Thank you Liz for the rest of your post which cuts to the rotten core of this matter. Frank You are receiving this because you are subscri

Re: Misinformation again [was: Re: [UC] Gate way to UC]

2008-02-21 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Duh? 120 + 1 + 1 can be written 120+. Melani, don't you ever get tired of playing the role of misunderstood innocent? I am not responsible for your misimpressions, and we were not "equally incorrect". I don't enjoy faux apologies that sound to much like "but... somehow must be at fault". I p

[UC] Zoning point simplified

2008-02-21 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Dear Neighbors, Let's keep it simple for Tony since I find his sarcasm daunting. Zoning, like the existing Historical Designation, defined the property as powerfully as its actual height and neglect. "Due Diligence" is the responsibility of the Buyer. No Buyer has any reasonable expectation

Re: [UC] SCHA Zoning meeting DVD

2008-02-21 Thread Anthony West
You sure could be right, Liz. I know zip about ZBA's statutory mission and I would actually expect a person in your profession to know more than me. But I'd appreciate a citation or two, if you can find them, before I kowtow to your wide experience and never get up from the floor again. My o

Re: [UC] Re: Precedent: comparisons to the Fairfax

2008-02-21 Thread Anthony West
You're exactly right -- extremely right -- and your point rewards deep meditation. The problem becomes even messier, though, when we note the property in question is zoned commercial, and has been for a long time. It has long been lawful to use it for commercial purposes, as it is for other p

Re: [UC] Re: Precedent: comparisons to the Fairfax

2008-02-21 Thread Kimm Tynan
> And if the proposal was moved to the lot on Walnut Street, would people change > positions? I think the question is useful because it helps clarify why people > are in favor, opposed or don't really care. I would. It¹s the size in the location that bothers me. Kimm On 2/21/08 8:18 AM, "[EM

Re: [UC] Renter-owner conflicts (Was: Re: SCHA Zoning meeting DVD)

2008-02-21 Thread UNIVERSITY*CITOYEN
Anthony West wrote: On the other hand, I have to say renters have the same obligation to read and to learn that owners do. If legal distinctions are made between renters and owners, both sides should be aware of them. I hope there are both renters and owners who are curious about the facts of t

[UC] Renter-owner conflicts (Was: Re: SCHA Zoning meeting DVD)

2008-02-21 Thread Anthony West
Kimm, I understand everything you say, and not a word rings false to my ear. Social tensions between renters and owners are an intractable social problem that is very particular to University City -- for reasons of simple mathematical fact. I have always lived on a block on which renters are

Re: Misinformation again [was: Re: [UC] Gate way to UC]

2008-02-21 Thread Glenn
"Now, does anyone want to talk about compromise on this site, or will we be more successful if we just continue trading barbs?" Dear Ms. Lamond, Previously, I offered to buy the 40th and Pine building for $1. I do not want to see the University go into bankruptcy because of foolish economic

Re: [UC] Re: Precedent: comparisons to the Fairfax

2008-02-21 Thread UNIVERSITY*CITOYEN
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: UC: Interesting point which suggests two corollaries: 1. Some people would change positions to support or opposition if the building had a different intended use - residential, classroom, or yoga - but was in the same location and had the same size.

[UC] Hit and Run at 48th & Baltimore

2008-02-21 Thread Joe Clarke
I came home around 4 PM and found an accident in the intersection. I asked one of the witnesses and he said someone in a black car had ran a red light and slammed into a young woman. The car took off, turned on Beaumont and according to this report the occupants ditched the car there. The gu

RE: Precedent: comparisons to the Fairfax [was: Re: [UC] Classes of Voters]

2008-02-21 Thread KAREN ALLEN
Melani,How is it that you always seem to have such an intimate, inner knowledge of what the University of Pennsylvania knows, feels and thinks? Why is it that whenever there is a controversy between the neighborhood and Penn, that you always seem to have the utmost sympathy and deference for Pe

Misinformation again [was: Re: [UC] Gate way to UC]

2008-02-21 Thread MLamond
Huh? I wrote to say that we were both incorrect, that's all. I feel that it's important to keep the information honest and factual while we are writing views that may influence others' opinions on this proposal. Wouldn't you agree? Yesterday you wrote, <> - not, as you are wording it tod

Re: Correcting, NO, Providing misinformation again [was: Re: [UC] Gate way to UC]

2008-02-21 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
My post is an attempt to correct Melani's attempt to simultaneously supply misinformation while claiming I had done so. My use of the number 120+ was to indicate the proposed 120 Residential units PLUS the proposed 4,000 square foot, public Bar with Restaurant (with Liquor License and) plus the

Re: Correcting misinformation again [was: Re: [UC] Gateway to UC]

2008-02-21 Thread UNIVERSITY*CITOYEN
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Two pieces of misinformation above: I've checked with Tom Lussenhop, and the Campus Inn proposal actually has 120 units. Not "115," as I stated yesterday (but still less than half of the number at the Fairfax), and not "120+," as Liz Campion stated last night. 120.

Correcting misinformation again [was: Re: [UC] Gateway to UC]

2008-02-21 Thread MLamond
In a message dated 2/20/08 7:03:26 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: So the proposed Campus Inn would have less than half as many units (a proposed 115, to the Fairfax's 243) on a lot 2/3rds the size of the Fairfax's lot. --- In a message dated 2/21/08 2:23:20 AM, [E

[UC] Proposal for ghetto

2008-02-21 Thread Glenn
Citizens, Once a wonderful community existed between 40th St and 38th Sts. and between Spruce and Walnut Sts. What we know today as an abandoned wasteland where sex offenders, robbers, and murderers gather has been languishing for decades. I propose that the good people of our neighborhood gath

Re: [UC] Classes of Voters, was SCHA Zoning meeting DVD

2008-02-21 Thread Krfapt
In a message dated 2/20/2008 10:50:13 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: All I said is that it bothers me that there is a significant population of individuals who aren’t very invested in this community because they don’t expect to be here long, yet due to sheer numbers

Re: [UC] Re: Precedent: comparisons to the Fairfax

2008-02-21 Thread pmuyehara
UC: ??? Interesting point which suggests two corollaries: ??? ?? 1.? Some people would change positions to support or opposition if the building had a different intended use - residential, classroom, or yoga - but was in the same location and had the same size.? ?? 2.? You can't compare t

Re: Precedent: comparisons to the Fairfax [was: Re: [UC] Classes of Voters]

2008-02-21 Thread Krfapt
In a message dated 2/20/2008 8:05:57 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Except , of course, to purchase the parcel in the first place! Yes... but you forgot to mention, as the Real Estate Dept's Esaul Sanchez so eloquently pointed out at the meeting last week, a parcel

Re: [UC] Public report

2008-02-21 Thread Glenn
"We should also expect the same consistency from Glenn, but he has so far given us the impression that he seems to be particularly interested in complaining to UDC about Campus Apts. building violations, because their guy sits on the UCD Board. At least, he hasn't yet told us that he's complaini

Re: [UC] link for Penn public discussion lists

2008-02-21 Thread Glenn
"I don't know, though, if there is a directory of all the lists hosted at Penn." Me either. It's a massive system. Investigating the various connections to see how many starting points might lead an unsuspecting individual to the ASC directory, seems like a big task. Nevertheless, the Annenb