Hi,
Don't you think that Penn is mainly interested in getting free schooling for
their professors and well paid staff in the neighborhood who normally would
send their children to private school? Any leftover resources that end up
in the hands of other people are part of their PR campaign but no
Yes!!!
Sometimes a picture is worth a million words. Check this out. Auth
brilliantly captures "the vision."
http://www.philly.com/inquirer/opinion/
Glenn
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> Don't you think that Penn is mainly interested in getting free schooling for
> their professors and well paid staff in the neighborhood who normally would
> send their children to private school? > Sharon
Yes.
And also to make Penn's graduate education program more competitive by offerin
Pretty straight summary of the issues, Karen. A few side notes, though.
While most of Penn's staff aren't poor, for every truly wealthy Wharton
prof Penn has probably 10 employees in support positions. Typically,
their pay isn't that great; the compensation is more in bennies. A lot
of grad st
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> Don't you think that Penn is mainly interested in getting free schooling for
> their p
where to find 'em, or can otherwise confirm or disprove my
supposition, go for it!
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> Don't yo
Maybe all three things should
happen.
Sincerely,
Glenn
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> Don't you think that Penn is mainly interested in get
aturday, April 05, 2008 3:31 AM
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>> The existance of Penn Alexander is causing its catchment area to undergo
gentrification, and that would be increased if UC High became "Penn-Assisted
High".
If so, then what explains the gentrification of
o for it!
>
>
>
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>> > Don't you think that Penn is m
lso lists a "University of
>> Penn HS", but without any address. Dunno what that means...)
>>
>> *I searched the PSD site to no avail for catchment maps. If anyone knows
>> where to find 'em, or can otherwise confirm or disprove my supposition, go
>>
-- is a map showing the catchment
areas for West Philadelpha HS and UCHS.
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Here’
In a message dated 4/5/2008 3:36:00 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
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>> The existence of Penn Alexander is causing its catchment area to undergo
gentrification, and that would be increased if UC High became "Penn-Assisted
High".
If so, then what explains the gentri
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> Here¹s a link to the Alexander School Catchment Area form a Real Estate site:
om: Wilma de Soto
To: Dave Axler ; UnivCity listserv
Sent: Saturday, April 05, 2008 12:39 PM
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You're welcome.
Traditionally, High Schools don't have catchment areas per se.
That's why I included Drew and Powel school maps since they are
pot shots to make us keep silent? We've
> got a civil public listserv!
>
> Thanks,
> Glenn
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Yes, magnet schools are open to the entire city with the caveat that one
meets the qualifications for the program the school offers.
Hig
19102
215-683-2026 - phone
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> Yes, magnet schools are open to the entire city with the caveat that one meets
> the qualif
Dave,
I saw a map two or three years ago, which I cadged from the Press Office
of the School District. There was no link, but I did describe its
boundaries on UC-list. Archive junkies can find it there.
Your central question is quite shrewd. I didn't notice, at first glance,
any sure correla
Wilma,
I'm not sure what you mean by "outspend the 'educational partner'."
Penn's contribution to PAS, for instance, is $1,000/pupil/annum; the
School District's contribution is, what, $6,000-$9,000? So who runs this
budget, in the end -- Penn or the School District? If you've 30 years in
thi
The Philly mag article made it very clear that HSOF is NOT a Gates
Foundation project:
"There are two big misconceptions about the School of the Future. The
first is that Microsoft is paying for it. The second is that it is a
Gates Foundation school, one of the thousands of high schools aro
Thanks for updating us, Frank. So where does the money for this school
come from, in fact? How much comes from tax revenues allocated to the
School District and what is this funding source called? How much comes
from something-blabla-Gates and what is this funding source called?
I'd be very in
Tony,
What I meant was the community could try to out spend the educational
partner, which they can't do.
Again, I cannot speak on actually how much funding Penn does in comparison
to the SDP for that school. As I said before things quite often appear
differently on paper than they are put into
Here's a link from Microsoft®:
http://www.microsoft.com/education/schooloffuture.mspx
Here's a link with SDP's spin:
http://www.phila.k12.pa.us/offices/sof/concept.html
On 4/5/08 7:56 PM, "Anthony West" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Thanks for updating us, Frank. So where does the money for th
I'll pass but if you would like to do that research yourself, you
might start here:
http://blogs.msdn.com/phillyhi/archive/2004/02/15/73210.aspx
or here:
http://www.microsoft.com/Education/SchoolofFutureFAQ.mspx#EUB
but the question is answered definitively here:
http://www.npr.org/template
Wilma,
What I'm trying to figure out is if you think exposing West Philadelphia
high-school students to world-class influences like Microsoft and Penn
is bad and should be prevented under any circumstances.
All UC-list readers know there's an "anti-gentrification faction" that
is unalterably
Good work, Frank. We'll make a Philadelphia public-school parent out of
you yet.
Speaking as a parent who is already walking this walk, I'm telling you
the system is complicated. I'm telling you anyone who says it's simple
-- is simple!
I can't tell you the details without tedious research I
If it really makes you feel better to write crap like this because I
corrected you, then have fun. I published no "preachments" about
anyone's child's life. I corrected a misstatement about who was
donating money to HSOF and made no judgements about anything. Period.
If I heeded "those of u
at is your choice, but your attack is so far off base, it just
reads as an angry non sequitur.
Andy
A fellow School District parent> Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2008 21:28:15 -0400> From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: UnivCity@list.purple.com> Subject: Re: [UC] Penn
schools> > Good work, Fra
Dave Axler wrote:
Thanks, Wilma. I have a reasonable idea of Penn Alexander's catchment
area -- at least enough to know that, though I'm 3.5 blocks from the
school, my house is not in that area. What I'm hoping someone can
provide -- though Tony's earlier post offered some verbal insight --
i
he inclusion of even one side of Sansom in the PAS
catchment a bit unusual, hmmm?
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Dave,?
?
I saw a map two or three years
this article seemed excited by
getting such a windfall gift to the city. How was this misperception created
so effectively and why?
Glenn
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This would be a fabulous field test, Dave. And it's something a neighbor
could actually do on a weekend afternoon: poll both sides of that block
for (a) kids and (b) prices. Prices can be done on Hallwatch, can't they?
-- Tony West
Dave Axler wrote:
Tony, Wilma, et al.:
It seems to me that
What the NPR story explains, that Frank usefully brought to our
attention, is that Microsoft contributed planning personnel time. The
School District was going to build the bricks anyway -- some bricks,
somewhere -- and Microsoft pitched in that planning.
Planning costs money. People cost mone
What I'm trying to figure out is if you think exposing West Philadelphia
> high-school students to world-class influences like Microsoft and Penn
> is bad and should be prevented under any circumstances.
Absolutely, not! It's a great thing and even greater if those students will
actually get to b
Here's another interesting point.
Why can one find the school catchment areas for Philadelphia Public School
on the School District's web site? Could it be that the District could be
held accountable actually enforcing them and not allowing people to pull
strings, etc. Could that be what makes t
Frank,
Your point is very well taken. Andy is entirely right. I apologize. I'm
glad you corrected my understanding. I had a little time on my hands
this morning and I listened to the NPR piece, which explained it very
well, as you said.
"Experience," like most things in life, cuts both ways.
ladelphia, will know if it was a good
investment for them.
Glenn
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I'll pass but if you would like to do that research yourse
Wilma, any parent who's wrassling with the School District values an old
hand on the teaching side like you.
The system is much larger than either of us. We both know that by now.
If I had one central idea to contribute to this wide-ranging and often
acrimonious discussion, it is this:
For s
for the benefit of the list. If you choose not to thank him for his
contribution, that is your choice, but your attack is so far off base, it just
reads as an angry non sequitur.
Andy
A fellow School District parent> Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2008 21:28:15 -0400> From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: U
What you're saying is you want to block out information that might
conflict with your opinions. You want to know what you and your allies
are saying, on any given point; and you want to avoid hearing what the
other side is saying.
The problems with Karen's blinkered approach to public discussi
I view the School District NOT as a well-oiled, well-moneyed gorilla such as
Penn, but a monolithic political gorilla loosely masquerading as a public
educational institution.
In politics, making a good showing and "follow the money" is always an
acceptable credo.
If not, why as I do my taxes thi
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Dave makes a very good point here about "gentrification" (could also be read
as "additional demand" or "rise in prices") all over UC & areas adjacent to
it. The entire area is more "popular" with homebuyers now, and prices have
risen accordingly. There are probably
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I would emphasize the "middle-class" aspect, Kimm. As of 2008 in
Philadelphia, who cares if your investment counselor or your first
violin is white, Black, Asian or of mixed blood?
Magnet schools should be about getting kids to college, for the most
part. Of course they should get middle-class
Hmm ... educational independence. In its most extreme form, this is an
argument for home schooling, is it not? Which I have no quarrel with.
But home schooling seems particularly unsuited to a poor inner-city
population many of whose parents are themselves poorly educated.
Public education is
Charter schools ALSO depend upon funds from the SDP which contributes to
budget cuts, loss of services, supplies and personnel from public schools.
After nearly six years, the data shows that most Private management schools
and charters in the City have NOT outpaced the increases in test scores of
> I would emphasize the "middle-class" aspect, Kimm. As of 2008 in
>> Philadelphia, who cares if your investment counselor or your first
>> violin is white, Black, Asian or of mixed blood?
The ³white² part is actually pretty important. Deseged schools are eligible
for federal deseg dollar
The gentrifying mission of a neighborhood-based lab school like PAS is
pretty plain. But high schools are clumsier tools of gentrification
because they must draw from a wide geographical base. One MS can't feed
one HS. Furthermore, lots of Penn Alexander School graduates will always
want to go
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> The gentrifying mission of a neighborhood-based lab school like PAS is
> pretty plain. But high schools are clumsier tools of gentrification
> because they must draw from a wide geographical base
>
I think that our rather jade
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ideas.
Sincerely,
Glenn
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