[UC] Time to withdraw the troops

2005-01-10 Thread William H. Magill
It is time to withdraw US troops from Indonesia! The Bush Administration is working hard to spin the crash of a Seahawk helicopter from the USS Abraham Lincoln aircraft carrier in Banda Aceh today as a mechanical failure. This despite the fact that, as reported by CBS News, The crash came amid

Re: [UC] Time to withdraw the troops

2005-01-10 Thread Wilma de Soto
Doesn't this rationale also apply to the situation in Iraq? At least I can see the reason that troops are risking their lives in Indonesia. This was a disaster of epic proportions and one for the ages. Lots of people need help. However, this nebulous rationale of bringing Democracy to the Iraqi

Re: [UC] Time to withdraw the troops

2005-01-10 Thread Brian Siano
Wilma de Soto wrote: However, this nebulous rationale of bringing Democracy to the Iraqi people who are culturally disinclined to accept it, is far less of a reason for troops to be killed by insurgents. We are not wanted there either. I would like to see some evidence about how Iraqis are

Re: [UC] Time to withdraw the troops

2005-01-10 Thread Wilma de Soto
As far as I can tell, most of the Islamic world has been governed by Sultanates and Caliphates throughout their history. Their society has traditionally been strictly socially structured and their politics intertwined with their religion. Iraq (known before as Mesopotamia), considers itself the

Re: [UC] Time to withdraw the troops

2005-01-10 Thread Brian Siano
Wilma de Soto wrote: As far as I can tell, most of the Islamic world has been governed by Sultanates and Caliphates throughout their history. Their society has traditionally been strictly socially structured and their politics intertwined with their religion. Most of the Western world hasn't

Re: [UC] Time to withdraw the troops

2005-01-10 Thread Wilma de Soto
Don't you think you are carrying this a bit too far and attributing your argument to things I have not said. The United States system of Democracy was adapted from the English system of Government. Instead of King, we elect a President. The Bi-Cameral House Structure was adapted from

Re: [UC] Time to withdraw the troops

2005-01-10 Thread Wilma de Soto
I am well aware that all Arabs are not alike. I also understand that in 1979 when the Iranian students took US citizens hostage in Tehran, that they were labeled radical Shiite Muslims by the US government. Now the self-same Shiites are in as dire need of help as the Tsunami victims in Indonesia

Re: [UC] Time to withdraw the troops

2005-01-10 Thread Brian Siano
Wilma de Soto wrote: Don't you think you are carrying this a bit too far and attributing your argument to things I have not said. The United States system of Democracy was adapted from the English system of Government. Instead of King, we elect a President. The Bi-Cameral House Structure was

Re: [UC] Time to withdraw the troops

2005-01-10 Thread Brian Siano
Wilma de Soto wrote: And many people in many parts of the world dislike democracy because it undermines many of their existing structures of power-- say, dictators, militarists, religious fanatics and fascists. That may be the way you and I view their way of power, but that may not be how

Re: [UC] Time to withdraw the troops

2005-01-10 Thread William H. Magill
On 10 Jan, 2005, at 14:29, Wilma de Soto wrote: The United States system of Democracy was adapted from the English system of Government. Instead of King, we elect a President. The Bi-Cameral House Structure was adapted from Parliament: The House of Commons-House of Representatives/ House of

Re: [UC] Time to withdraw the troops

2005-01-10 Thread Wilma de Soto
Brian, My posts were not to criticize the Bush Administration, per se. Just to point out another point of view based upon the history of the Moslem World, and their view of the Western World; especially since 1492 when they were forced from Europe. I would never underestimate the capabilities

Re: [UC] Time to withdraw the troops

2005-01-10 Thread Wilma de Soto
First, I would suggest you read The English People On The Eve of Colonization (1603-1630) by Wallace Notestein © 1954 Oxford University Press. This volume spells out exactly how the English were before the English went up against Spain and colonized the New World and how they proceeded to gain