Running a multiline shell command

2011-12-09 Thread Bob Sneidar
This has been discussed before, but I am trying to run multiple lines of shell commands using the shell() function. It looked like it worked at first, only the telnet session dumped me before I could get any information out of the switch. Now it looks like I am not even talking to the shell anym

Re: Applescript for getting data from a spreadsheet

2011-12-09 Thread Bob Sneidar
Hey! That did the trick! Now how would anyone know that? Let's say I was the first person ever to begin working with Applescript. How would I have ever come up with that solution? But thank you. Now I can get on with my uber utility. Bob On Dec 9, 2011, at 4:35 PM, zryip theSlug wrote: > On

Re: Applescript for getting data from a spreadsheet

2011-12-09 Thread Bob Sneidar
No. Right now I am just trying to put the script together in the Applescript Editor. Bob On Dec 9, 2011, at 4:29 PM, stephen barncard wrote: > have you used > > revUnixFromMacPath(*macPathname*[,*convertOSX*]) > > > to clean up the pathname for AS? ___

Re: Applescript for getting data from a spreadsheet

2011-12-09 Thread zryip theSlug
On Sat, Dec 10, 2011 at 1:03 AM, Bob Sneidar wrote: >> 8-) >> >> The Excel documentation has numerous traps. Sometimes the syntax is >> natural and sometimes... surnatural. ;-) >> >> Try: >> open workbook workbook file name "DHCP Clients.xlsx" >> >> >> Best regards, >> -- >> -Zryip TheSlug- wish y

Re: Applescript for getting data from a spreadsheet

2011-12-09 Thread stephen barncard
have you used revUnixFromMacPath(*macPathname*[,*convertOSX*]) to clean up the pathname for AS? On 9 December 2011 16:03, Bob Sneidar wrote: > > 8-) > > > > The Excel documentation has numerous traps. Sometimes the syntax is > > natural and sometimes... surnatural. ;-) > > > > Try: > > open w

Re: When to release a free Android app? (development cycle)

2011-12-09 Thread Andrew Henshaw
Thanks again Ben, sorry for replying out of order!! Ill definitely fix the menu bar issue in the morning, but just wondering if anyone has any suggestions as to the icon and reversed portrait modes? Ill try using the set orientations to allow both portrait orientations, maybe that will work

Re: When to release a free Android app? (development cycle)

2011-12-09 Thread Andrew Henshaw
Thanks for that, Ill move it up 60 pixels! I was working with the 'working screenrect', but ive probably forgotten to remove the geometry MobGUI adds, if I move an image by just 1 pixels the geometry data is added back and then mobgui puts things back to where I put them while designing the

Re: Applescript for getting data from a spreadsheet

2011-12-09 Thread Bob Sneidar
> 8-) > > The Excel documentation has numerous traps. Sometimes the syntax is > natural and sometimes... surnatural. ;-) > > Try: > open workbook workbook file name "DHCP Clients.xlsx" > > > Best regards, > -- > -Zryip TheSlug- wish you the best! 8) > http://www.aslugontheroad.com I get: erro

Re: Applescript for getting data from a spreadsheet

2011-12-09 Thread zryip theSlug
On Fri, Dec 9, 2011 at 11:32 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote: > Ok now my problem is I am trying to open the file via Applescript. The > dictionary says: > open workbook v : Opens a workbook. > > Hence this appleScript: > tell application "Microsoft Excel" >        activate >        set the default file pa

Re: DSN Less connections to ODBC database

2011-12-09 Thread Todd Geist
Yes! Matthias! That worked! Thanks. On the Mac one can connect to FileMaker 11 Server with this put "Driver={FileMaker ODBC};Server=localhost;Database=;UID=;PWD=;" into tString put revOpenDatabase("ODBC", tString, "", "", "") into tData I have not tested this with PCs yet. But I'll bet somethi

Re: Applescript for getting data from a spreadsheet

2011-12-09 Thread Bob Sneidar
Ok now my problem is I am trying to open the file via Applescript. The dictionary says: open workbook v : Opens a workbook. Hence this appleScript: tell application "Microsoft Excel" activate set the default file path to "Volumes/data/LogosAdmin/TechData/Tech Documents/"

Re: Apple Photo (media) Picker

2011-12-09 Thread Graham Samuel
This is just a quick thank you to Ken Ray, and also to Todd Geist for his added note on this. I will get it going in my own environment soon. Being English, I don't often use the word "awesome" but it seems an appropriate response in this case. Graham On Fri, 9 Dec 2011 10:25:28 -0600, Ken Ra

Re: DSN Less connections to ODBC database

2011-12-09 Thread Matthias Rebbe
> On Mac i am using the ActualTech with this connection string: > Driver={Actual SQL > Server};Server=192.168.0.1\SQLExpress;Database=NorthWind;UID=sa;PWD=my_password;" > You should not have any spaces around the semi-colons or the assignment > operator (the "equals" signs). Hi, let me complete

Re: DSN Less connections to ODBC database

2011-12-09 Thread Matthias Rebbe
Hi Todd, do you want to connect to an ODBC data source w/o creating a DSN in ODBC Manager/Administrator on Win/Mac? If so, there was a discussion in October 2010 in this list with the topic "Does revDB support FileDSN or Connection Strings?" The following is an example which should work under

Re: DSN Less connections to ODBC database

2011-12-09 Thread Todd Geist
So the PHP DSNLess Connection string syntax doesn't work for revOpenDatabase. Too bad. But if PHP can do it on both mac and windows it must be possible. The syntax looks like this "Driver={};Server=;Database=" That can be substituted for a DSN in php Todd -- Todd Geist _

Re: DSN Less connections to ODBC database

2011-12-09 Thread Todd Geist
I am on a Mac but it needs to be Xplat. I don't think you *need* a DSN on either platform. My evidence is that PHP doesn't require it. the PHP function odbc_connect() can use either a DSN or a DSN-less connection string can be used. http://php.net/manual/en/function.odbc-connect.php hmm maybe

Re: DSN Less connections to ODBC database

2011-12-09 Thread Roger Eller
On Fri, Dec 9, 2011 at 4:45 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote: > I played around with this a long time ago, because I didn't want to futz > with mySQL (didn't know how at the time). I gave up and was forced to use > mySQL because ODBC was so terribly unreliable and difficult to configure on > a Mac if you did

Re: Apple Photo (media) Picker

2011-12-09 Thread Ken Ray
First create the automate as Ken described and save it somewhere. In this > case I saved it on y desktop. > then in LC do the following > > get shell ("automator '/Users/todd/Desktop/test.workflow'") > > put value(line 2 of it) > > > That should do it. I didn't realize you could call Automato

Re: DSN Less connections to ODBC database

2011-12-09 Thread Bob Sneidar
I played around with this a long time ago, because I didn't want to futz with mySQL (didn't know how at the time). I gave up and was forced to use mySQL because ODBC was so terribly unreliable and difficult to configure on a Mac if you didn't already know what you were doing. I do not think you

Re: DSN Less connections to ODBC database

2011-12-09 Thread Roger Eller
On Fri, Dec 9, 2011 at 4:39 PM, Todd Geist wrote: > Hello, > > I am experimenting with a generic an ODBC datasource. I can connect using > revOpenDatabase and DSN, but I would really like to ditch the DSN. Does any > one know if this is possible? I have tried to just enter the host and port, > bu

DSN Less connections to ODBC database

2011-12-09 Thread Todd Geist
Hello, I am experimenting with a generic an ODBC datasource. I can connect using revOpenDatabase and DSN, but I would really like to ditch the DSN. Does any one know if this is possible? I have tried to just enter the host and port, but somehow you need to specify the driver. I did install the d

Re: Applescript for getting data from a spreadsheet

2011-12-09 Thread Bob Sneidar
Very cool! I guess what I was doing wrong before is that I was not specifying the sheet and workbook name. It kept saying in it's cryptic way that it didn't understand the copy range command. Applescript. I love it. I hate it. Bob On Dec 9, 2011, at 12:54 PM, zryip theSlug wrote: > On Fri,

Re: When to release a free Android app? (development cycle)

2011-12-09 Thread Pete
I think that gives me the info I need! Thanks On Fri, Dec 9, 2011 at 11:50 AM, Ben Rubinstein wrote: > FWIW, if I'd bought it as a consumer - at least one very familiar with the > iPhone and iPad - I'd think it was as crude as hell. The web browser is > ugly and hard to use, things don't scroll

Re: Filter redux

2011-12-09 Thread J. Landman Gay
On 12/9/11 2:48 PM, dunb...@aol.com wrote: I play scrabble seriously. If you get an Android device, download Wordoid. You will be lost to us forever after that. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com

Re: Applescript for getting data from a spreadsheet

2011-12-09 Thread zryip theSlug
On Fri, Dec 9, 2011 at 9:06 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote: > Thanks man! Can I come sit at you feet and learn of your greatness?? ;-) > Seems though that Excel locked up. It works for small selections, but Excel > didn't like it when I did that for 4 columns of 4000+ rows. Also, I wonder if > referenci

Filter redux

2011-12-09 Thread dunbarx
Again, thanks everyone. I am pretty good at munching data. I missed a syntax construct. I play scrabble seriously. Driving home from work each day I amuse myself by taking the three letter combinations from passing license plates and making words with minimum chars. So if I see "rbd", I know I

Re: When to release a free Android app? (development cycle)

2011-12-09 Thread J. Landman Gay
On 12/9/11 1:04 PM, Ben Rubinstein wrote: * support the reversed portrait orientation. In my use, I find that I'm mostly using the Fire 'upside down' from what Amazon apparently expect (so that the power button is at the top); their standard apps all handle this, so it's jarring when another app

Re: When to release a free Android app? (development cycle)

2011-12-09 Thread Colin Holgate
I don't have the credit card problems Ben has. The browser is ok, and in some tests it way out performs higher end Android 3 tablets. If you go to Google docs you're teased with an App version, which I think isn't available for Kindle Fire, and if you use the web version it's the mobile one, wh

Re: When to release a free Android app? (development cycle)

2011-12-09 Thread Ben Rubinstein
On 08/12/2011 17:25, Andrew Henshaw wrote: > Ive uploaded an apk of the app via if anyone has a phone and wants to try it On 09/12/2011 19:04, Ben Rubinstein (me!) wrote: * The Fire has a soft control panel... When using your app, this panel is permanently there; and it overlays your app's contr

Re: Filter

2011-12-09 Thread Dave Cragg
On 9 Dec 2011, at 19:15, dunb...@aol.com wrote: > What am I doing wrong? If I have: > on mouseup > put "abcdef" into temp > filter temp with "c" > put temp > end mouseup > I get empty. I don't need more empty. Filter works on lines. From the docs: "Filters each line in a container, removi

Re: Filter

2011-12-09 Thread dunbarx
Ah. Thanks, everyone. I knew about the lines, the string I tested with, was, after all, a line. But I did not get from the dictionary the power of the wildcard char "*". The example there was "A*C", and I saw that one or more chars could be between those outer chars. I did not appreciate the

Re: Filter

2011-12-09 Thread Peter M. Brigham, MD
On Dec 9, 2011, at 2:31 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote: > ... If you are trying to find ALL the "c"'s in the string it gets trickier For that, use this: function offsets str,ctr -- returns a comma-delimited list of all the offsets of str in ctr put "" into offsetList put 0 into startPoint

Re: Applescript for getting data from a spreadsheet

2011-12-09 Thread Bob Sneidar
Thanks man! Can I come sit at you feet and learn of your greatness?? ;-) Seems though that Excel locked up. It works for small selections, but Excel didn't like it when I did that for 4 columns of 4000+ rows. Also, I wonder if referencing entire columns might try to get all the data in all the *

Re: Datagrid tooltips

2011-12-09 Thread Pete
Thanks, that's basically what I ended up doing except the tooltip is simply the data in the column - I'm doing that when the column data has been truncated using the truncateTail function so the user can see the complete data by hovering over the dg cell. On Fri, Dec 9, 2011 at 11:28 AM, zryip the

Re: iPad app with only a Win PC

2011-12-09 Thread Roger Eller
On Fri, Dec 9, 2011 at 2:36 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote: > Did they figure out the 3D graphic drivers? We had a "Hackintosh" which > worked really well for ripping DVD videos (relax they were Bible Studies) > and I was so impressed, I asked the guy to build me a Hackintosh of my own > with all the best

Re: When to release a free Android app? (development cycle)

2011-12-09 Thread Ben Rubinstein
On 09/12/2011 19:32, Pete wrote: Sounds like you're pretty familiar with the Kindle Fire. I'm thinking of getting one primarily for web access to my Google mail, docs, calendar, contacts, etc. How's the web browser on it? Do you find the lack of access to the Android Market a problem? Alas,

Re: Applescript for getting data from a spreadsheet

2011-12-09 Thread zryip theSlug
On Fri, Dec 9, 2011 at 5:49 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote: > This may be a little off topic, but the goal is to create an app that looks > up mac addresses from a telnet session into a series of procurve switches, > and then compare that with a known list of mac addresses in an excel > spreadsheet, and

Re: iPad app with only a Win PC

2011-12-09 Thread Bob Sneidar
Did they figure out the 3D graphic drivers? We had a "Hackintosh" which worked really well for ripping DVD videos (relax they were Bible Studies) and I was so impressed, I asked the guy to build me a Hackintosh of my own with all the best hardware, but ONLY if it could play 3d graphic games. We

Re: When to release a free Android app? (development cycle)

2011-12-09 Thread Pete
Hi Ben, Sounds like you're pretty familiar with the Kindle Fire. I'm thinking of getting one primarily for web access to my Google mail, docs, calendar, contacts, etc. How's the web browser on it? Do you find the lack of access to the Android Market a problem? Pete On Fri, Dec 9, 2011 at 11:04

Re: Filter

2011-12-09 Thread Bob Sneidar
BTW you will get the contents of the entire line by using filter temp with "*c*". As I mentioned it works with entire lines, not chunks of text. If you are trying to see if "abcdef" contains "c" use "c" is in "abcdef". If you are trying to find which character contains the first "c" use offset(

Re: Filter

2011-12-09 Thread Pete
Hi Craig, I think filter works on lines not chars so if you want to include lines containing "c" do: filter temp with "*c*" The "*" is a placeholder for zero or more characters. On Fri, Dec 9, 2011 at 11:15 AM, wrote: > > > What am I doing wrong? If I have: > on mouseup > put "abcdef" into t

Re: Datagrid tooltips

2011-12-09 Thread zryip theSlug
On Thu, Dec 8, 2011 at 8:43 PM, Pete wrote: > I know the datagrid has a dgTooltip property that displays when the user > hovers over a column header but has anyone come up with a way to have a > tooltip unique to each row? > > For example, let's say I have a column that uses the datagrid truncateT

Re: iPad app with only a Win PC

2011-12-09 Thread Roger Eller
On Fri, Dec 9, 2011 at 1:29 PM, Mark Rauterkus wrote: > Hi, > > Could a newbie develop an app for the iPad on LiveCode on a WIN PC? Or, is > that impossible? Do you need to have a Mac too? > > Wondering. > > Thanks.. > > Mark Rauterkus > m...@rauterkus.com > > Not with LiveCode, but there are othe

Re: Filter

2011-12-09 Thread Mark Schonewille
Hi Craig, filter "abcdef" with "c" gives empty because abcdef is not c filter "abcdef" with "*c*" returns abcdef because abcdef contains c. Filter affects lines, not chars. If you want to remove all c chars in abcdef then you need to use the replace command: replace "c" with "x" in "abcdef" -

Re: Filter

2011-12-09 Thread Bob Sneidar
The filter command works on the entire line. The way you are using it, only lines that contain only the letter C will show up. Instead, use: filter temp with "*c*" Bob On Dec 9, 2011, at 11:15 AM, dunb...@aol.com wrote: > > > What am I doing wrong? If I have: > on mouseup > put "abcdef" i

Filter

2011-12-09 Thread dunbarx
What am I doing wrong? If I have: on mouseup put "abcdef" into temp filter temp with "c" put temp end mouseup I get empty. I don't need more empty. Craig Newman ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url

Re: When to release a free Android app? (development cycle)

2011-12-09 Thread Ben Rubinstein
Hi Andy, I can't give much insight into the market, because I'm new to the Android scene. In relation to the phone versus tablet issue however, I've taken a look at it on the Kindle Fire and it seems pretty good to me. I've only spotted two serious snags: * I let the screen lock kick in whi

Re: iPad app with only a Win PC

2011-12-09 Thread Mark Schonewille
Hi Mark, Theoretically, you can develop it, you might even be able to test it (if you can find a working emulator), but every attempt to compile the app for sudmission to the app store would be in vain and possible illegal. On the other hand, if you contact me off-list, we might be able to work

iPad app with only a Win PC

2011-12-09 Thread Mark Rauterkus
Hi, Could a newbie develop an app for the iPad on LiveCode on a WIN PC? Or, is that impossible? Do you need to have a Mac too? Wondering. Thanks.. Mark Rauterkus m...@rauterkus.com -- -- Ta. Mark Rauterkus mark.rauter...@gmail.com http://Rauterkus.blogspot.com http://FixPA.wikia.com

Re: "do not back up" attribute iOS

2011-12-09 Thread ddas
Nothing dramatic if the following piece of code is incorporated. Listing 1 Setting the Extended Attribute #include - (BOOL)addSkipBackupAttributeToItemAtURL:(NSURL *)URL { const char* filePath = [[URL path] fileSystemRepresentation]; const char* attrName = "com.apple.MobileBackup";

Re: "do not back up" attribute iOS

2011-12-09 Thread François Chaplais
OK, I read the link. Interesting stuff, but I do not see anything dramatic. To me it seems there will be a flurry of app updates; I think the advent of iCloud is a major OS increment. I sympathize, you know. I have to reload all my Marvel Comics because of that, and I do not have WIFI at home (I

Re: "do not back up" attribute iOS

2011-12-09 Thread ddas
No one does it from last week on. I have one app in the store that does it. I have 2 rejections in the last week. And I am not the only one. http://www.chrisboyd.net/2011/11/icloud-and-the-new-ios-data-storage-guidelines/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=icloud-and-the-new-ios-data-sto

Re: Datagrid tooltips

2011-12-09 Thread Pete
Thanks Mark. What you're doing seems a little different than what I need but you reminded me I could use FillInData to set the tooltip and that should take care of it I think. On Thu, Dec 8, 2011 at 7:37 PM, Mark Wieder wrote: > Pete- > > Thursday, December 8, 2011, 11:43:37 AM, you wrote: > >

Re: "do not back up" attribute iOS

2011-12-09 Thread François Chaplais
You CAN store persistent data. GoodReader does it, many others do it. What has change is that you must do it into the proper application directory and not in 'tmp' or 'cache' folders, which are obviously not right places for storing persistent data. François Le 9 déc. 2011 à 15:22, ddas a écrit

Re: Apple Photo (media) Picker

2011-12-09 Thread Todd Geist
Hello, This way works too. First create the automate as Ken described and save it somewhere. In this case I saved it on y desktop. then in LC do the following get shell ("automator '/Users/todd/Desktop/test.workflow'") put value(line 2 of it) That should do it. Todd On Fri, Dec 9, 2011 at

Applescript for getting data from a spreadsheet

2011-12-09 Thread Bob Sneidar
This may be a little off topic, but the goal is to create an app that looks up mac addresses from a telnet session into a series of procurve switches, and then compare that with a known list of mac addresses in an excel spreadsheet, and trace them through a network to find where the device is at

Re: Datagrid tooltips

2011-12-09 Thread Bob Sneidar
Oooh... I am getting ready to put check boxes into a table type datagrid, but only conditionally. That may help. Bob On Dec 8, 2011, at 7:37 PM, Mark Wieder wrote: > Pete- > > Thursday, December 8, 2011, 11:43:37 AM, you wrote: > >> I know the datagrid has a dgTooltip property that displays

Re: Building and Exporting 3D Models for Game Environments FreeSeminar Begins in 5 Minutes

2011-12-09 Thread Matthias Rebbe
Ah, thanks. Regards, Matthias Am 09.12.2011 um 17:20 schrieb Lynn Fredricks: >> thanks for the offer. Would love to take part, but do not >> have a Facebook account anymore. >> >> No other way to enjoy that presentation? > > You should be able to watch it via the Ustream site, using the E Fro

Re: Apple Photo (media) Picker

2011-12-09 Thread Ken Ray
On Dec 9, 2011, at 5:39 AM, Graham Samuel wrote: > Hi Mark > > I am sure that would be a very fine way of doing it, but I have to ask myself > whether it would be quicker for me to implement a picker in LiveCode (where I > feel comfortable, and where at least some of the logic would be useful

RE: Building and Exporting 3D Models for Game Environments FreeSeminar Begins in 5 Minutes

2011-12-09 Thread Lynn Fredricks
> thanks for the offer. Would love to take part, but do not > have a Facebook account anymore. > > No other way to enjoy that presentation? You should be able to watch it via the Ustream site, using the E Frontier page there. The text chat part though uses the native Facebook text chat. Taiyo-sa

Re: Building and Exporting 3D Models for Game Environments Free Seminar Begins in 5 Minutes

2011-12-09 Thread Matthias Rebbe
Hi, thanks for the offer. Would love to take part, but do not have a Facebook account anymore. No other way to enjoy that presentation? Regards, Matthias Am 09.12.2011 um 16:57 schrieb Lynn Fredricks: > For those of you interested... > > This covers building models and then exporting them in

Building and Exporting 3D Models for Game Environments Free Seminar Begins in 5 Minutes

2011-12-09 Thread Lynn Fredricks
For those of you interested... This covers building models and then exporting them in FBX format for use in game development. Its free and starts in about five minutes. http://www.facebook.com/shade3d - RSVP here: http://www.facebook.com/events/233361850064895/ At the end there will be a drawin

Re: Message Path Question

2011-12-09 Thread mike
I have an external for some IOS functionality that I was thinking of simulating when on the PC. So I should be able to insert a backscript when not in the mobile environment Sent from my BlackBerry device on the Rogers Wireless Network -Original Message- From: Mark Schonewille Sender:

ANN: Color Converter 4.1

2011-12-09 Thread Mark Schonewille
Hi, I did a little more work on Color Converter. Color Converter is one of Economy-x-Talk's most popular products and you might be interested because it is made with LiveCode, but also as a programmer you might consider this interesting. CC 1.4 contains RGB colour separation and conversion to g

Re: Message Path Question

2011-12-09 Thread Mark Schonewille
Hi, I'd say either next to or right before the engine. You could consider them part of the engine. Probably, it is a bad idea to try replacing engine commands with external commands. -- Best regards, Mark Schonewille Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering Homepage: http://economy-

Re: "do not back up" attribute iOS

2011-12-09 Thread ddas
That is all history as far as Apple is concerned. Apple has started enforcing the 5.01 guidelines and is rejecting apps en masse. Any app that downloads data and wants it to persist is in for a nasty shock. Revolution as it stands now is a crippled tool for iOS. This is a critical fix. I am am

Message Path Question

2011-12-09 Thread Michael Doub
Where are externals located in the message path? Stack MainStack Library Stacks BackScripts Engine Are they part of the Engine? ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your

Re: Apple Photo (media) Picker

2011-12-09 Thread Graham Samuel
Hi Mark I am sure that would be a very fine way of doing it, but I have to ask myself whether it would be quicker for me to implement a picker in LiveCode (where I feel comfortable, and where at least some of the logic would be useful on other platforms) or learn AppleScript and Automator and t

Re: "do not back up" attribute iOS

2011-12-09 Thread Michael Doub
Take a look at the specialFolderPath documentation. Location of file, controls backup. home - The (unique) folder containing the application bundle and its associated data and folders. documents - The folder in which the application should store any document data (this folder is backed up by

Re: crossword puzzle in LiveCode

2011-12-09 Thread Alex Tweedly
On 09/12/2011 00:44, Mark Wieder wrote: Pete writes: Hmmm, is that really true? Properly formed ones, yes. Check out a syndicated crossword in any major paper. There are "accepted" sizes as well - 15x15 is the most common for daily crosswords. Somewhat larger for Sunday crosswords (and note t

Re: RevOnline

2011-12-09 Thread René Micout
I am waiting for a reply from supp...@runrev.com about my question: " I have some difficulties to upload a stack on RevOnline... Can you look if there is some problem with it ? " Le 8 déc. 2011 à 20:16, Pete a écrit : > Yes, that too! > > On Thu, Dec 8, 2011 at 10:56 AM, stephen barncard < > ste