Re: Problem with setting htmlText of field to empty in LiveCode 6.6 RC2

2014-03-20 Thread Kay C Lan
On Thu, Mar 20, 2014 at 3:28 AM, J. Landman Gay jac...@hyperactivesw.comwrote: I just think it's wrong, purely for the sake of consistency in the language. In some ways your argument is correct; as with my own pet peeve, what the language does when putting empty into an item: put 1,2,3,4

Re: LC Commercial Update

2014-03-20 Thread Kay C Lan
On Thu, Mar 20, 2014 at 1:44 AM, Robert Brenstein r...@robelko.com wrote: Am I imagining this or was there an option (button to click) on the update dialog to skip this release that is no more reminders until the next next version comes out? I see this in some programs and find very useful.

Re: Problem with setting htmlText of field to empty in LiveCode 6.6 RC2

2014-03-20 Thread Scott Morrow
So then the “empty” field *is* truly empty and it is the act of “looking” at the htmlText that causes the p/p tags. Schrödinger's cat may have more to say on this. -- Scott Morrow Elementary Software (Now with 20% less chalk dust!) web http://elementarysoftware.com/ email

Preferences

2014-03-20 Thread Patrick Roza
Hi, Having problems resetting my login to the forums so I am posting the question here. Having a problem configuring LiveCode android support in the preferences. I have a valid location of the android SDK but when I try to specify the location under Moblie Support in the preferences is says it

Re: RELEASE LiveCode 7.0 DP1

2014-03-20 Thread Fraser Gordon
On 19 Mar 2014, at 23:16, Dave Kilroy d...@applicationinsight.com wrote: Hi all The release notes you get from the downloads page on the website are fine - however the release notes you get from 7.0.0's IDE menu give you release notes from 6.0.1 It looks like the office gremlins were at

Re: Preferences

2014-03-20 Thread Matthias Rebbe | M-R-D
Hi Patrick, there was a discussion on this list in May 2013 about Android SDK not recognised in LiveCode under Windows. If you are on Windows you could try to use Android SDK R21. You´ll find the download here: http://dl.google.com/android/installer_r21-windows.exe Regards, Matthias Am

Re: RELEASE LiveCode 7.0 DP1

2014-03-20 Thread Dave Kilroy
Thanks Fraser! Actually though - is there a way to automatically insert relevant version number in the quality centre's drop-down so that bugs can be reported on new releases from the get-go? Fraser Gordon wrote That should also be fixed - 7.0.0-DP-1 now appears in the drop-down list.

Re: RELEASE LiveCode 7.0 DP1

2014-03-20 Thread Dave Kilroy
Thanks Fraser! Actually though, if LC could include an auto insert of new version numbers in the quality centre's drop-down then we can report bugs from the get-go... Fraser Gordon wrote That should also be fixed - 7.0.0-DP-1 now appears in the drop-down list. - Some are born coders,

Re: Problem with setting htmlText of field to empty in LiveCode 6.6 RC2

2014-03-20 Thread Dave Kilroy
Scott I am in awe of how you have combined coding, physics and philosophy - I will now always think of Schrödinger's cat enclosed in p\p tags :) Scott Morrow wrote So then the “empty” field *is* truly empty and it is the act of “looking” at the htmlText that causes the p /p tags.

Re: before vs on in behavior scripts

2014-03-20 Thread Jan Schenkel
Hi Scott et al, The 'after' handler in the behavior script will be executed even if the control script itself contains an 'on' handler which forgets to 'pass' the message. This is really useful for custom controls where you want to allow the developer to implement standard message handlers but

Re: Rally the troops Part 2 - aka Wish List Part 1

2014-03-20 Thread Richard Gaskin
larry wrote: When selecting multiple objects (for grouping) it would be really nice to see a list of those objects instead of the vague Multiple Objects in the Inspector. I would even settle for just the number of objects instead of the almost useless Multiple There have been times when I

Re: Preferences

2014-03-20 Thread Patrick R. Roza
Thanks Matthias up and running. On 3/20/2014 6:55 AM, Matthias Rebbe | M-R-D wrote: Hi Patrick, there was a discussion on this list in May 2013 about Android SDK not recognised in LiveCode under Windows. If you are on Windows you could try to use Android SDK R21. You´ll find the download

Re: Rally the troops Part 2 - aka Wish List Part 1

2014-03-20 Thread Richmond Mathewson
On 20/03/14 15:45, Richard Gaskin wrote: larry wrote: When selecting multiple objects (for grouping) it would be really nice to see a list of those objects instead of the vague Multiple Objects in the Inspector. I would even settle for just the number of objects instead of the almost

Re: before vs on in behavior scripts - red herring alert!

2014-03-20 Thread Devin Asay
On Mar 18, 2014, at 5:33 PM, Devin Asay devin_a...@byu.edu wrote: All, If a button has a behavior attached to it, and the behavior script has a 'before mouseUp' handler, can the behavior script also have a 'on mouseUp' handler? I could swear the answer was yes; I thought I had done

A weird bug/occurrence

2014-03-20 Thread Geoff Canyon
I was trying to make a copy of a stack to take on the road, by: 1. Saving the stack and closing LC on one Mac. (mountain lion, LC 6.5.2) 2. Copying the stack to a USB drive. 3. Copying the stack to another Mac (Mavericks, LC 6.5.2) I opened the stack, and saw what I thought was an earlier

best/fastest way to tell if a field contains unicode text?

2014-03-20 Thread Geoff Canyon
I have a field that has been populated by setting the unicodetext. Some lines actually need unicode -- umlauts, enye, etc. -- and others are plain ascii. What's the most efficient way to count how many lines are plain and how many actually need unicode? The best thing I've come up with so far is

Re: best/fastest way to tell if a field contains unicode text?

2014-03-20 Thread Fraser Gordon
On 20 Mar 2014, at 15:37, Geoff Canyon gcan...@gmail.com wrote: What's the most efficient way to count how many lines are plain and how many actually need unicode? Out of interest - why are you trying to do this? I ask because trying to do so may not be useful in future versions of LiveCode.

Re: before vs on in behavior scripts - red herring alert!

2014-03-20 Thread Richard Gaskin
Devin Asay wrote: Later I discovered that *someone* (I blame the code kabouters*) had gone in and assigned icon states to the buttons using the behaviors, rendering the BEFORE and AFTER handlers redundant. I like kabouters. I have a friend who refers to unexpected behavior in software as

Re: best/fastest way to tell if a field contains unicode text?

2014-03-20 Thread Geoff Canyon
On Thu, Mar 20, 2014 at 11:47 AM, Fraser Gordon fraser.gor...@runrev.comwrote: Out of interest - why are you trying to do this? I ask because trying to do so may not be useful in future versions of LiveCode. I'm preparing data for use through an API. The API doesn't support unicode, so any

Re: before vs on in behavior scripts - red herring alert!

2014-03-20 Thread J. Landman Gay
On 3/20/14, 10:09 AM, Devin Asay wrote: So it appears that each time I launch the project I have to reassign the behavior to the buttons. This only seems to happen for behaviors stored in library stacks. I have seen a similar problem with objects that were assigned a background pattern stored in

Re: Rally the troops Part 2 - aka Wish List Part 1

2014-03-20 Thread Peter Haworth
It would be remiss of me at this point to not point out that there are at least two alternatives to the ApplicationBrowser/Project Browser/Inspector - my lcStackBrowser and Mats Wilstrand's rIDE. Both of them offer all the capabilities of the above IDE components plus more. The main difference

Re: before vs on in behavior scripts - red herring alert!

2014-03-20 Thread J. Landman Gay
On 3/20/14, 10:54 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote: To simplify this occasional necessity, I had hoped the team would have implemented a command they once talked about in the early days of behaviors but never quite got around to: resolve behaviors, which would trigger the same resolution mechanism that

RELEASE: LiveCode 6.6

2014-03-20 Thread Michael McCreary
Dear List Members. We are pleased to announce the release of LiveCode 6.6. Release Contents * 'assert' command (experimental) * New **showAll** fullscreenmode. * Hi-DPI support for Windows 7/8 and OSX. * HTTPS through proxy * Image Filtering Updates * iOS 7.1 Support * Graphics Library

Re: A weird bug/occurrence

2014-03-20 Thread Guglielmo Braguglia
Hi Geoff, have you a fusion drive on your Mac ? Because on mine, with fusion drive, I have experienced some strange behavior, and ... not only with LiveCode ... I think there is some sneaky issue with updates of caches on Mavericks with fusion drive ... Guglielmo Geoff Canyon wrote: I

Re: before vs on in behavior scripts - red herring alert!

2014-03-20 Thread Devin Asay
On Mar 20, 2014, at 9:54 AM, Richard Gaskin ambassa...@fourthworld.com wrote: Devin Asay wrote: So it appears that each time I launch the project I have to reassign the behavior to the buttons. This only seems to happen for behaviors stored in library stacks. I have seen a similar

Re: Rally the troops Part 2 - aka Wish List Part 1

2014-03-20 Thread Peter Haworth
Add Geoff Canyon's Navigator and Richard Gaskin's 4Wprops to the list. Pete lcSQL Software On Mar 20, 2014 9:01 AM, Peter Haworth p...@lcsql.com wrote: It would be remiss of me at this point to not point out that there are at least two alternatives to the ApplicationBrowser/Project

Re: Rally the troops Part 2 - aka Wish List Part 1

2014-03-20 Thread Mark Wieder
Peter Haworth pete@... writes: Both of them offer all the capabilities of the above IDE components plus more. The main difference is that rIDE is free and open source, while I, being less altruistic and more money grubbing than Mats, demand payment for lcStackBrowser and also have the

Re: Rally the troops Part 2 - aka Wish List Part 1

2014-03-20 Thread Thierry Douez
2014-03-20 18:01 GMT+01:00 Mark Wieder mwie...@ahsoftware.net: Peter Haworth pete@... writes: Both of them offer all the capabilities of the above IDE components plus more. The main difference is that rIDE is free and open source, while I, being less altruistic and more money grubbing than

Re: best/fastest way to tell if a field contains unicode text?

2014-03-20 Thread Mark Wieder
Fraser Gordon fraser.gordon@... writes: In LiveCode 7.0, all text is Unicode and there is no such thing as non-Unicode text. In that case, shouldn't the setUnicode value be true rather than false? And does it make sense to have that property settable any more? -- Mark Wieder

Re: best/fastest way to tell if a field contains unicode text?

2014-03-20 Thread Phil Davis
Get the styledText of a field and check it for any unicodeText elements. (Or will that be meaningless in 7.0 when everything is Unicode?) Phil On 3/20/14, 8:37 AM, Geoff Canyon wrote: I have a field that has been populated by setting the unicodetext. Some lines actually need unicode --

Re: best/fastest way to tell if a field contains unicode text?

2014-03-20 Thread Mark Wieder
Fraser Gordon fraser.gordon@... writes: In LiveCode 7.0, all text is Unicode and there is no such thing as non-Unicode text. There are ways to convert text to and from legacy 8-bit encodings (like MacRoman) when doing I/O to files/sockets/processes/etc but (in the engine at least) all text is

Re: best/fastest way to tell if a field contains unicode text?

2014-03-20 Thread Colin Holgate
When I try that I get 敨汬畢正 On Mar 20, 2014, at 1:39 PM, Mark Wieder mwie...@ahsoftware.net wrote: put unidecode(hello bucko) converts the text to 敨汬Ɐ戠捵潫. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to

Re: best/fastest way to tell if a field contains unicode text?

2014-03-20 Thread Fraser Gordon
On 20 Mar 2014, at 17:28, Mark Wieder mwie...@ahsoftware.net wrote: In that case, shouldn't the setUnicode value be true rather than false? And does it make sense to have that property settable any more? All the previous Unicode functionality has been left as-is in order to avoid breaking

Re: best/fastest way to tell if a field contains unicode text?

2014-03-20 Thread Mark Wieder
Colin Holgate coiin@... writes: When I try that I get 敨汬畢正 On Mar 20, 2014, at 1:39 PM, Mark Wieder mwieder at ahsoftware.net wrote: put unidecode(hello bucko) converts the text to 敨汬Ɐ戠捵潫. Ah. Right. So do I. I had a comma after the hello originally, and it didn't make it into

Re: best/fastest way to tell if a field contains unicode text?

2014-03-20 Thread Fraser Gordon
On 20 Mar 2014, at 17:39, Mark Wieder mwie...@ahsoftware.net wrote: put unidecode(hello bucko) converts the text to 敨汬Ɐ戠捵潫. Thinking about this a bit more, I ought to write something up about how text and binary work in the 7.0 engine and how this relates to the existing ways of doing

Re: Rally the troops Part 2 - aka Wish List Part 1

2014-03-20 Thread Peter Haworth
Thanks Mark. I'm looking at ways to make it available for Community Edition users, favorite right now is to turn it into a standalone program, either completely so or perhaps communicating with the IDE via a small, unprotected plugin. Pete lcSQL Software http://www.lcsql.com Home of

Re: before vs on in behavior scripts - red herring alert!

2014-03-20 Thread Peter Haworth
On Thu, Mar 20, 2014 at 8:54 AM, Richard Gaskin ambassa...@fourthworld.comwrote: For example, if you have a mainstack which is an executable and contains objects that use behaviors, and a separate library stackfile which contains the behavior buttons, it will always fail because that mainstack

Re: RELEASE: LiveCode 6.6

2014-03-20 Thread Richmond
I am sorry to say that the middle button: You Only does not work as it stops with a windows that states this: The installer will automatically continue when these conflicting applications are closed: -update Using the Custom button, followed by Install for you only WORKS. UbuntuStudio 13.10

Re: best/fastest way to tell if a field contains unicode text?

2014-03-20 Thread Ben Rubinstein
On 20/03/2014 15:37, Geoff Canyon wrote: I have a field that has been populated by setting the unicodetext. Some lines actually need unicode -- umlauts, enye, etc. -- and others are plain ascii. What's the most efficient way to count how many lines are plain and how many actually need unicode?

Re: RELEASE: LiveCode 6.6

2014-03-20 Thread Richmond
On 20/03/14 20:45, Richmond wrote: I am sorry to say that the middle button: You Only does not work as it stops with a windows that states this: The installer will automatically continue when these conflicting applications are closed: -update Using the Custom button, followed by Install for

Re: RELEASE: LiveCode 6.6

2014-03-20 Thread Peter Alcibiades
Debian Jessie running Fluxbox. The updater starts, downloads, then seems to fail to either update or put a new version into /opt/rev. Tried twice. Also the updater loses all its text. I guess maybe update does not work and one has to install from scratch? Thinking of moving to i3 based on

Re: RELEASE: LiveCode 6.6

2014-03-20 Thread Richmond
On 20/03/14 21:04, Peter Alcibiades wrote: Debian Jessie running Fluxbox. The updater starts, downloads, then seems to fail to either update or put a new version into /opt/rev. Tried twice. Also the updater loses all its text. I guess maybe update does not work and one has to install from

Re: RELEASE: LiveCode 6.6

2014-03-20 Thread Warren Samples
On 03/20/2014 01:45 PM, Richmond wrote: I am sorry to say that the middle button: You Only does not work as it stops with a windows that states this: The installer will automatically continue when these conflicting applications are closed: Running openSUSE with KDE. I just installed by

Re: RELEASE: LiveCode 6.6

2014-03-20 Thread Richmond
On 20/03/14 22:13, Warren Samples wrote: On 03/20/2014 01:45 PM, Richmond wrote: I am sorry to say that the middle button: You Only does not work as it stops with a windows that states this: The installer will automatically continue when these conflicting applications are closed: Running

Re: RELEASE: LiveCode 6.6

2014-03-20 Thread Warren Samples
On 03/20/2014 03:27 PM, Richmond wrote: I got that message having downloaded the installer, and attempting to install from that rather than via the upgrade system from inside an earlier version. Well, that's not good! I hadn't realized you were using the straight installer and was

Re: RELEASE: LiveCode 6.6

2014-03-20 Thread Peter Alcibiades
I've installed for everyone, so its in /opt. Maybe the thing to do is su to root and then fire up the old version and then do the update and kill the app immediately the download starts... Well. Worth a try. But there must be lots of people who install in /opt, so the installer or updater

Re: RELEASE: LiveCode 6.6

2014-03-20 Thread Warren Samples
On 03/20/2014 03:27 PM, Richmond wrote: I got that message having downloaded the installer, and attempting to install from that rather than via the upgrade system from inside an earlier version. Richmond. Richmond, I just tried it using the downloaded installer (both community and

Re: RELEASE: LiveCode 6.6

2014-03-20 Thread Richmond
On 20/03/14 22:58, Warren Samples wrote: On 03/20/2014 03:27 PM, Richmond wrote: I got that message having downloaded the installer, and attempting to install from that rather than via the upgrade system from inside an earlier version. Richmond. Richmond, I just tried it using the

Re: RELEASE: LiveCode 6.6

2014-03-20 Thread Richmond
Here's an incredibly boring and tedious report on an incredibly boring and tedious thing I did just now: Attempted install on UbuntuStudio [Linux] 13.10 32 bit, Mac OS 10.6.7, Mac OS 10.9.2, Windows XP SP2, Windows 7, WINE 1.7.13 of Livecode 6.6.0 stable and 7.0.0 dp-1 Community.

Re: Problem with setting htmlText of field to empty in LiveCode 6.6RC2 - Found word(s) remove list in the Text body

2014-03-20 Thread Bob Sneidar
Yes I agree that is odd. This could stumble you if you were conditionally putting empty into items, and then acting on an empty value. The last item would never get processed because it would no longer exist! It goes against the principle that for computers, empty is not the same as nothing.

Clone command problem

2014-03-20 Thread Peter Haworth
It seems that the clone command allows you to bypass the unique stack name convention of LC. Let's say I have a substack named Sub1 and another substack named Copy of Sub1. If I issue the command clone stack Sub1 in a script, it happily creates a new stack with the name Copy of Sub1 so now I

Re: best/fastest way to tell if a field contains unicode text?

2014-03-20 Thread Peter W A Wood
Ben On 21 Mar 2014, at 02:40, Ben Rubinstein wrote: That probably means in fact that all the characters are in ISO-8859-1 (I think that the one-byte characters in UTF8 approximately correspond to ISO-8859-1, but I'm prepared to be corrected). UTF-8 only has 128 one-byte characters (0 -

Re: before vs on in behavior scripts - red herring alert!

2014-03-20 Thread Bob Sneidar
When I worked on Radars, many technicians were convinced there were electronic gremlins, because the rate at which the equipment suffered a failure within days before a missile test was uncanny. I am not superstitious, but by the time I was discharged, I was not ruling out the possibility. Bob

Re: best/fastest way to tell if a field contains unicode text?

2014-03-20 Thread Mark Wieder
Fraser- Thursday, March 20, 2014, 10:50:28 AM, you wrote: One annoyance is that the unicodeText of a field is not, in fact, unicode text in the 7.0 engine - it is binary data. Similarly, the uniEncode and uniDecode functions convert between two different forms of binary data rather than

Re: before vs on in behavior scripts

2014-03-20 Thread Dr. Hawkins
On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 8:16 AM, Bob Sneidar bobsnei...@iotecdigital.comwrote: Actually, you need to down a few, and then all of this makes sense. This is a good time to point out where quantum physics was developed . . . You didn't find Professors Einstein, Plank, Boltman, etc. in their

Re: before vs on in behavior scripts

2014-03-20 Thread Dr. Hawkins
On Thu, Mar 20, 2014 at 7:09 PM, Dr. Hawkins doch...@gmail.com wrote: And, speaking as a physics major, noone would have come up with that stuff sober . . . OF course, this is coming from an attorney who actually used Schrodinger's Cat in his argument in Bankruptcy Court today . . . -- Dr.

Re: RELEASE LiveCode 7.0 DP1

2014-03-20 Thread Dr. Hawkins
On Thu, Mar 20, 2014 at 4:34 AM, Dave Kilroy d...@applicationinsight.comwrote: Actually though, if LC could include an auto insert of new version numbers in the quality centre's drop-down then we can report bugs from the get-go... It's not that hard to do . . . My software checks while

Re: 6.6 RC2 Release

2014-03-20 Thread Dr. Hawkins
On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 1:13 AM, Richmond richmondmathew...@gmail.comwrote: I'm sorry, but I am not going to take responsibility for your decision to read the Use-List using a mobile device. LOL. Yet you took the time to quote properly :) -- Dr. Richard E. Hawkins, Esq. (702) 508-8462

Re: before vs on in behavior scripts

2014-03-20 Thread Mark Wieder
OF course, this is coming from an attorney who actually used Schrodinger's Cat in his argument in Bankruptcy Court today . . . You do realize, of course, that it's no good citing precedents in that case... -- -Mark Wieder ahsoftw...@gmail.com This communication may be unlawfully collected

Re: 6.6 RC2 Release

2014-03-20 Thread Dr. Hawkins
On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 8:18 AM, Bob Sneidar bobsnei...@iotecdigital.comwrote: I agree that people should select the pertinent text to be quoted before replying. It's just good email etiquette. It's more than good etiquette. it's correct, and not doing it is incorrect. This is spelled out in

Re: 6.6 RC2 Release

2014-03-20 Thread Dr. Hawkins
On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 10:00 AM, Warren Samples war...@warrensweb.uswrote: If only we can get people to stop nesting responses within quoted text, which can make for dizziness after a couple of rounds of replies. Of course, that's one of your favorite techniques... (Yes, I understand the

Re: before vs on in behavior scripts

2014-03-20 Thread Dr. Hawkins
On Thu, Mar 20, 2014 at 7:41 PM, Mark Wieder mwie...@ahsoftware.net wrote: OF course, this is coming from an attorney who actually used Schrodinger's Cat in his argument in Bankruptcy Court today . . . You do realize, of course, that it's no good citing precedents in that case... It is,

Re: 6.6 RC2 Release

2014-03-20 Thread Warren Samples
On 03/20/2014 10:02 PM, Dr. Hawkins wrote: It is quite simply correct, and not doing it is wrong. Thank you very much for your response. No, I'm not out of my mind and your statement is your opinion and nothing more and I heartily disagree. The reasoning I gave - maintaining readability

Deja Vu

2014-03-20 Thread Bob Sneidar
I know this has come up in the past, because I remember the poor fellow who was struggling with it. I have a field with a closeField handler. In the handler there is an answer dialog command which the user must respond to. The problem is that the answer dialog pops twice! I have verified by

Re: before vs on in behavior scripts

2014-03-20 Thread Bob Sneidar
Wait, you mean to tell me that the notion of curved space came from a bunch of drunks who thought the room was spinning??? Bob On Mar 20, 2014, at 19:09 , Dr. Hawkins doch...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 8:16 AM, Bob Sneidar bobsnei...@iotecdigital.comwrote: Actually, you

Re: 6.6 RC2 Release

2014-03-20 Thread Peter Haworth
C'mon guys, use a email reader that hides the quoted text unless you click on it (like gmail) and let's all get on with our lives. Pete lcSQL Software http://www.lcsql.com Home of lcStackBrowser http://www.lcsql.com/lcstackbrowser.html and SQLiteAdmin http://www.lcsql.com/sqliteadmin.html On

Re: Rally the troops Part 2 - aka Wish List Part 1

2014-03-20 Thread larry
Hello Richard, Thanks for the info, but it seems you missed my point. The Project Browser does NOT tell me BEFORE I group something what is going to be grouped. At least not that I can figure it out. I want something to show me what the grouping will be BEFORE I group it. Larry P.S. Does

Re: 6.6 RC2 Release

2014-03-20 Thread Bob Sneidar
sigh “Wrong.” I have heard that word a lot in my life. Once it was “wrong” to not double space between sentences. It was “wrong” to eat spaghetti with a spoon. It was “wrong” to ride my bike on the sidewalk. It was “wrong” to pee with the toilet seat down. Okay, that’s still wrong! But you get