On Sat, Jun 2, 2012 at 10:52 PM, Richard Gaskin
wrote:
> The drafting table orientation has been optimal for long work sessions for
> centuries, so it seems inevitable that as computer form factors continue to
> diversify we'll see an increasing number of those.
>
> An iMac that tilts all the way
> The performa series was an attempt at making Apple systems to
> compete with the PC's of the time. A few were pretty good,
> but there were some pigs too. In the final analysis what
> Apple produced in an attempt to market cheap computers,
> was... well... cheap computers! Good riddance I say
> I'm less sure about that. Steve Jobs spoke out about how
> touch screens are not the right way to work with desktop
> machines, and I've made enough touch screen kiosk
> applications to know that it's tiring to work that way.
This is why I miss Fake Steve. SJ validated or invalidated anything
Colin Holgate wrote:
> On Jun 1, 2012, at 8:06 PM, Kay C Lan wrote:
>
>> >Which then brings me full circle to another thread on this List
>> about where OS X is headed, and my feeling that '...and a touch
>> sensitive screen' will be part of the future OS X requirement.
>
> I'm less sure about th
I'm less sure about that. Steve Jobs spoke out about how touch screens are not
the right way to work with desktop machines, and I've made enough touch screen
kiosk applications to know that it's tiring to work that way.
The gestural stuff that is in Lion and Mountain Lion is great. But, it's gea
On Sat, Jun 2, 2012 at 2:45 AM, Lynn Fredricks <
lfredri...@proactive-intl.com> wrote:
>
> Within each product line (Macs, iPod, iPhone, iPad) you have very clear and
> very simple differentiated levels - the low end is cheapest and sports
> fewer
> features,
>
Very interesting you should write t
On Fri, Jun 1, 2012 at 11:12 PM, Peter M. Brigham, MD wrote:
>
> First Class! Now that brings back memories! Is there a museum somewhere
> for dead software?
>
> What?? I still access the local Mac User Group via FirstClass 9.1 - not
that I would recommend it to anyone, there is certainly better o
On Fri, Jun 1, 2012 at 7:11 PM, Peter Alcibiades <
palcibiades-fi...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>
> The dog in the manger approach was, we don't want it, we cannot use it (eat
> it) and so we will not let anyone else who could use it and make good
> things
> out of it have it either.
>
> You are certainl
Interestingly enough, as a Window and Linux user, I had never even
heard of Hyper-Card when I found MetaCard, then Rev and finally
LiveCode... I was just looking for a decent development tool for those
two platforms only. Mac's or anything to do with Apple never even
crossed my mind. (Seldom does s
The performa series was an attempt at making Apple systems to compete with the
PC's of the time. A few were pretty good, but there were some pigs too. In the
final analysis what Apple produced in an attempt to market cheap computers,
was... well... cheap computers! Good riddance I say! I'll pay
> If Apple had no included anything for free, (not sure how to
> measure that) would they have charged less? Hmmm... no way to
> test it, so it must remain a mystery.
The point of a bundle is to justify the price you want your target customer
to pay - in Apple's case, they wanted you to pay pre
You could just offer the dog a steak, but then the analogy seems to be breaking
down. ;-)
Bob
On Jun 1, 2012, at 8:22 AM, Mark Wieder wrote:
> Peter-
>
> Friday, June 1, 2012, 4:11:18 AM, you wrote:
>
>> The dog in the manger approach was, we don't want it, we cannot use it (eat
>> it) and s
Exactly my point. Maybe it's a matter of semantics, or perhaps I imagine things
work a certain way inside a corporation, but I always envision a bunch of suits
sitting around a conference table, deciding how to price a product, and taking
into consideration all the "free" stuff they are putting
Peter-
Friday, June 1, 2012, 4:11:18 AM, you wrote:
> The dog in the manger approach was, we don't want it, we cannot use it (eat
> it) and so we will not let anyone else who could use it and make good things
> out of it have it either.
Kind of like the on-rev client.
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-Mark Wieder
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On Jun 1, 2012, at 1:47 AM, stephen barncard wrote:
> yeah, like me, I was devoted to read the Evangelist and Hypercard forums
> every day. I piped the forums into the studio First Class systems.
First Class! Now that brings back memories! Is there a museum somewhere for
dead software?
-- Peter
> Even if Apple gave away Hypercard to people who bought a mac
> without it, Apple would still be paying for it. In the case
> of all those other things, the taxpayer is paying for it, or
> else the company that hired him is paying for it, and
> actually he is likely himself paying for it becau
Well, things could be hotting up in the dynamic IDE world.
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/ibdknox/light-table?ref=history
Light Table looks like it is a modern take on the old Smalltalk IDE
(Visualage, Squeak). It's going back to the idea of having code in an
image (stacks in our case), com
Because that way you lose control. The dog could not eat the
> hay, but would not let the horse who could eat it either.
>
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Back in the early 2000 pythonware was formed by several prominent leaders in
the python community.
It was delivering an IDE for python...I actually was one of the first and few
who bought a license.
They eventually shut down. From a conversation with one of the founders I
learnt that people ex
Well, python was available when I started using Livecode, and I still
chose Livecode. I still wouldn't choose Python for a GUI app, but I
would use python on servers (for everything from system admin to
system monitoring to web templating) over Livecode. On the server I
don't see that Livecode of
:) I know they (and you) are here! I even remember the days when Ms.
De Voto used to also grace this list. And, of course, the late, great
Eric Chatonet.
It is all those coulda-woulda-shouldas over at Ars Technica I was
referring to. After all, I was able to discover Runrev by accident 10
year
On 06/01/2012 12:12 AM, J. Landman Gay wrote:
On 5/31/12 1:45 PM, Bernard Devlin wrote:
I'm not sure they would use Livecode anyway.
I'm not so sure. A large number of the old HC mailing list are here
now. :)
I started with Hypercard in 1993 when it came bundled on a Mac LC475:
the first
Peter,
I like your prior comments but I have to disagree with this:
>
> The problem with Hypercard, and what led to its demise, was fundamentally
> that it was not free.
I also don't understand this:
> The thing that killed it was a dog in the manger approach to things.
>
> Unless you are ta
t.
>
> Bob
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yeah, like me, I was devoted to read the Evangelist and Hypercard forums
every day. I piped the forums into the studio First Class systems.
On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 2:12 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote:
> On 5/31/12 1:45 PM, Bernard Devlin wrote:
>
>> I'm not sure they would use Livecode anyway.
>>
>
> I
On 5/31/12 1:45 PM, Bernard Devlin wrote:
I'm not sure they would use Livecode anyway.
I'm not so sure. A large number of the old HC mailing list are here now. :)
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HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
You had to pay Apple for the development version (v.s. player) of Hypercard. I
think this started with version 2.
Le 31 mai 2012 à 21:08, Bob Sneidar a écrit :
> TANSTAAFL. There Ain't No Such Thing As A Free Lunch. Even Hypercard was not
> free. We paid for it when we paid for the Mac it was in
On 05/31/2012 10:08 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote:
TANSTAAFL. There Ain't No Such Thing As A Free Lunch. Even Hypercard was not free. We paid for it
when we paid for the Mac it was installed on. People who want things to always be free need to also
consider the term "freeloader". Someone somewhere pays
TANSTAAFL. There Ain't No Such Thing As A Free Lunch. Even Hypercard was not
free. We paid for it when we paid for the Mac it was installed on. People who
want things to always be free need to also consider the term "freeloader".
Someone somewhere pays for the "free" thing.
Even if Apple gave
I'm not sure they would use Livecode anyway. They want to moan about
"the good old days", but when presented with language xyz which is
free, and which has hundreds of free libraries, etc. they will find
something to bitch about when it comes to Livecode. "What? I have to
pay for it! But, I get
ing LC. So did Lynn
> Fredericks.
>
> -- Peter
>
> Peter M. Brigham
> pmb...@gmail.com
> http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig
>
>
>> Le 31 mai 2012 à 13:15, Bernard Devlin a écrit :
>>
>>> http://arstechnica.com/apple/2012/05/25-years-of-hypercard-the-m
rit :
>
>> http://arstechnica.com/apple/2012/05/25-years-of-hypercard-the-missing-link-to-the-web/
>>
>> It might be useful if some of you who can compare Hypercard and
>> Livecode posted a comment to the article showing that the grandchild
>> of Hypercard is alive
Done. Stunning isn't it, that people who knew about Hypercard can write
articles about it and not know about Livecode?
Bob
On May 31, 2012, at 4:15 AM, Bernard Devlin wrote:
> http://arstechnica.com/apple/2012/05/25-years-of-hypercard-the-missing-link-to-the-web/
>
> It migh
under name "pmbrig " ?
Le 31 mai 2012 à 13:15, Bernard Devlin a écrit :
> http://arstechnica.com/apple/2012/05/25-years-of-hypercard-the-missing-link-to-the-web/
>
> It might be useful if some of you who can compare Hypercard and
> Livecode posted a comment to the ar
http://arstechnica.com/apple/2012/05/25-years-of-hypercard-the-missing-link-to-the-web/
It might be useful if some of you who can compare Hypercard and
Livecode posted a comment to the article showing that the grandchild
of Hypercard is alive and well. I've left a comment on the aggregating
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