Re: Jolt Award

2012-01-19 Thread Mark Schonewille
Exactly my thoughts, Kay! -- Best regards, Mark Schonewille Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer KvK: 50277553 Download the Installer Maker Plugin 1.7 for LiveCode here http://qery.us/za On 19 jan

Re: Jolt Award

2012-01-19 Thread Mark Wieder
Kay- Wednesday, January 18, 2012, 8:31:12 PM, you wrote: sort of puts a fizzer on things. I don't think RunRev want to be known as a prototyping tool, for the real job to be done by a real tool, so hopefully they are nose to grindstone working on sorting out those native widgets and resource

Re: Jolt Award

2012-01-19 Thread Mark Wieder
AndyP- Wednesday, January 18, 2012, 10:30:16 PM, you wrote: Hi Mark, This was announced in newsletter 126. That's funny. I never even looked at the front page of the newsletter, just went straight for the articles. I wonder what else I've been missing? -- -Mark Wieder

Re: Jolt Award

2012-01-19 Thread Pete
I agree. Speaking from the perspective of a Mac user, it's impossible to build an app whose ui doesn't look dated. On Thu, Jan 19, 2012 at 8:36 AM, Mark Wieder mwie...@ahsoftware.net wrote: Native widgets would be nice on the desktop, too, but I'm not holding my breath. -- Pete Molly's

Re: Jolt Award

2012-01-19 Thread Joe Lewis Wilkins
Speaking from the perspective of someone who likes to get work done: I feel that too many innovations in the user interface can be a major turn-off. My favorite CAD program uses many of the same tools that were a part of the original MacDraw program; greatly enhanced and more powerful, but much

Re: Jolt Award

2012-01-19 Thread stephen barncard
Wait a minute - *Livecode at Macworld*? this is great news...and now a good reason to go... When was the last time LIvecode were there? 2003 - I was there - (a little booth in the developers section) and met Jacque for the first time. Some young guy was there too... was that Kevin? I think I

Re: Jolt Award

2012-01-19 Thread Richmond
On 01/19/2012 09:17 PM, Joe Lewis Wilkins wrote: Speaking from the perspective of someone who likes to get work done: I feel that too many innovations in the user interface can be a major turn-off. This is why I still use Appleworks 6 for Macintosh as my Primary Word-Processor, and fairly

Re: Jolt Award

2012-01-19 Thread Pete
I don't disagree with you, just saying that there are users out there who, consciously or unconsciously, judge part of the quality of an app by the state-of-the-art-ness of its ui. Apple and Microsoft will continue to evolve their user interface whether we like it or not. A prime example of that

Re: Jolt Award

2012-01-19 Thread Joe Lewis Wilkins
Hey Pete. Obviously you're right. I remember how much I hated System 8.0 when it first came out. It's the old dog/new tricks thing again. Wait until my book Death is a Myth© comes out. Will people continue to die once they understand that they don't have to? Please no response to this on the

Re: Jolt Award

2012-01-19 Thread Scott Rossi
Recently, Pete wrote: Speaking from the perspective of a Mac user, it's impossible to build an app whose ui doesn't look dated. Maybe not 100% impossible -- an alternative is to go custom: http://tmtools.tactilemedia.com/tmcontrol Regards, Scott Rossi Creative Director Tactile Media, UX

Re: Jolt Award

2012-01-19 Thread Pete
Hi SCott, You're right of course, it is possible to go custom and tmcontrol no doubt provides a good way of doing that. Just seems like there are so many controls in OS X now that aren't present in Livecode that it would be a huge amount of work to make custom versions of them all ( at least for

Re: Jolt Award

2012-01-19 Thread Bob Sneidar
I have likened LC to a constructor set before, something like Legos. To make special things, you need special bricks. (Your native widgets) You do not get to make the special thing you want unless you have the special bricks you need, or else can cheese some other bricks together in a kludge of

Re: Jolt Award

2012-01-19 Thread Kay C Lan
Hi Bob, Everything you say if perfectly valid, and believe me, I'm only now starting to comprehend how incomprehensible the task is that RunRev have chosen;-) to make a multi-platform RAD. I really feel for the company when, after enormous amounts of manpower have transformed HyperCard into

Re: Jolt Award

2012-01-19 Thread Pete
So how would you characterise your view Kay? VERY opinionated or only MILDLY so? Just curious... On Thu, Jan 19, 2012 at 5:43 PM, Kay C Lan lan.kc.macm...@gmail.com wrote: IMO I think the VERY opinionated views of this thread about what a UI should be go along way in explaining why Apple

Re: Jolt Award

2012-01-19 Thread Kay C Lan
Is there one above VERY ;-) On Fri, Jan 20, 2012 at 10:23 AM, Pete p...@mollysrevenge.com wrote: So how would you characterise your view Kay? VERY opinionated or only MILDLY so? Just curious... On Thu, Jan 19, 2012 at 5:43 PM, Kay C Lan lan.kc.macm...@gmail.com wrote: IMO I think the

Jolt Award

2012-01-18 Thread Mark Wieder
All- This was noticed on the forum today. Hasn't been any word from the team yet about it, maybe they're still off celebrating... http://drdobbs.com/joltawards/232301291?pgno=4 -- -Mark Wieder mwie...@ahsoftware.net ___ use-livecode mailing list

Re: Jolt Award

2012-01-18 Thread Kay C Lan
Hmmm, Maybe they are celebrating, then again the line: Still, for those developers looking for an incredibly fast mobile application prototyping tool sort of puts a fizzer on things. I don't think RunRev want to be known as a prototyping tool, for the real job to be done by a real tool, so

Re: Jolt Award

2012-01-18 Thread AndyP
. It just develops random features. PointandSee is a FREE simple but full featured under cursor colour picker / finder. http://www.pointandsee.co.uk - made with LiveCode (v1.4.1 released 26/08/2011) -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Jolt-Award