Re: My old man vs LC Standalone

2019-10-24 Thread Richard Gaskin via use-livecode
Tom Glod wrote: > When I change pricing models in the future with a major new release > I will go and look to see if any cracks exist, and then close > the holes. Be sure to run cracked copies and keygens only in disposable VMs. Most of the the ones I've seen are malware delivery vehicles,

Re: My old man vs LC Standalone

2019-10-24 Thread Tom Glod via use-livecode
Hi everyone, thanks for partaking in the thread. Hey Sean, Currently I authorize the license key via a web api running on a WordPress site. But at the end of the day, its still "if license = trial then this if not then this." ...and thats is place of attack.. using his debugger tool... My

Re: My old man vs LC Standalone

2019-10-24 Thread Pi Digital via use-livecode
Questions. How do customers access/buy your software? How does it know it is on an authorised machine or with an authorised user? I have a couple of methods that I remember I thought were very clever (although ultimately pointless) you might like to add in to the mix but it depends on the

Re: My old man vs LC Standalone

2019-10-24 Thread Pi Digital via use-livecode
Hi The fact you can acquire via nefarious means nearly all software out there demonstrates how easily crackable software is. Adobe, Avid, Autodesk, Boris, Apple and Microsoft (for goodness sake) have all struggled and failed with it. Make it difficult for the everyday user to bypass, look at

Re: My old man vs LC Standalone

2019-10-23 Thread Lagi Pittas via use-livecode
One other thing about that - it doesn't have to be a thieving hacker. I wrote a invoicing system for a company years ago (Foxpro for DOS ) and years later I got a phone call saying the system was coming up "I'm Melting " - I could't for the life of me remember why I put that message in. Went

Re: My old man vs LC Standalone

2019-10-23 Thread Keith Martin via use-livecode
On 22 Oct 2019, at 4:02, kee nethery via use-livecode wrote: it would look for Hypercard itself on their disk and start erasing stuff in it I applaud the ingenuity and totally understand the reasons for her doing that, but it should be said that damaging *other* software – beyond the stack

Re: My old man vs LC Standalone

2019-10-23 Thread Keith Martin via use-livecode
On 22 Oct 2019, at 20:47, Tom Glod via use-livecode wrote: i am counting on his limited willingness to put hours into it. Either way, it will be absolutely fascinating to read about the outcome. Good luck! k ___ use-livecode mailing list

Re: My old man vs LC Standalone

2019-10-22 Thread Tom Glod via use-livecode
lol... that may be true...cuz i don't think he'll check the mailing list :) There is only bragging rights at stakeso i just need to add time to his workloadbut not affect the user experience..i am counting on his limited willingness to put hours into it. On Tue, Oct 22, 2019 at 3:02

Re: My old man vs LC Standalone

2019-10-22 Thread JB via use-livecode
And if you tell us what you are going to do he will never catch on .. .. JB > On Oct 22, 2019, at 11:57 AM, Tom Glod via use-livecode > wrote: > > yeah... the key is to crank up the difficulty and time investment...much > like decryption...sure...you can decrypt this in a billion years! >

Re: My old man vs LC Standalone

2019-10-22 Thread Tom Glod via use-livecode
yeah... the key is to crank up the difficulty and time investment...much like decryption...sure...you can decrypt this in a billion years! On Tue, Oct 22, 2019 at 2:49 PM JJS via use-livecode < use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote: > Everything is crackable. > > There was once this version

Re: My old man vs LC Standalone

2019-10-22 Thread JJS via use-livecode
Everything is crackable. There was once this version of Cubase 5.1 a audio/midi sequencer, very popular among musicians. People from H2O cracked it. It was protected by a USB dongle. They used 1500 manhours for it. And most of the time was not in the program itself, figuring out when it

Re: My old man vs LC Standalone

2019-10-22 Thread doc hawk via use-livecode
On Oct 21, 2019, at 8:02 PM, kee nethery via use-livecode wrote: > > My wife built a Hypercard stack standalone that was protected by a dongle. > But, every call to the dongle was something you could search for in the > scripts. So she had scripts that did hashes of the scripts that talked

Re: My old man vs LC Standalone

2019-10-22 Thread Tom Glod via use-livecode
Yeah...He might call me within 24 hours ..laughing ...and that wouldn't surprise me at all. :D Luckily ...none of it is life or death. On Tue, Oct 22, 2019 at 1:44 PM JB via use-livecode < use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote: > Well considering he writes assembly and other languages >

Re: My old man vs LC Standalone

2019-10-22 Thread JB via use-livecode
Well considering he writes assembly and other languages and is communicating with other people he might be able to do things that would surprise you. JB > On Oct 22, 2019, at 10:38 AM, Tom Glod via use-livecode > wrote: > > Funny, I just sat down to fire up LC to check on the encryption

Re: My old man vs LC Standalone

2019-10-22 Thread Tom Glod via use-livecode
Funny, I just sat down to fire up LC to check on the encryption option. That will be the first thing I will do. My dad will do this using a C++ / assembly debugger, and he finds the point at which the trial limitation is lifted or enforced, and does all his work there. So he'll be looking at

Re: My old man vs LC Standalone

2019-10-22 Thread J. Landman Gay via use-livecode
That was my first thought too, password protecting the stack makes the scripts unreadable. The hacker would have to read the memory directly and I'm not sure what that would show, but I don't think it would be particularly organized. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com

Re: My old man vs LC Standalone

2019-10-22 Thread Bob Sneidar via use-livecode
I'd be curious to know how well simply pass protecting the stacks does. Given the "hacker" doesn't know the key that was used for the encryption, it shouldn't be possible. Bob S > On Oct 22, 2019, at 07:46 , Tom Glod via use-livecode > wrote: > > JB, of course thats true, its just a

Re: My old man vs LC Standalone

2019-10-22 Thread Tom Glod via use-livecode
JB, of course thats true, its just a matter of how long it takes and how skilled the cracker must be. Its definitely not a reason not to try. Kee, that sounds like quite the scheme a self-destructing stack. My initial instinct is to create some trap using hashing also. Thanks. :) On Mon,

Re: My old man vs LC Standalone

2019-10-21 Thread kee nethery via use-livecode
My wife built a Hypercard stack standalone that was protected by a dongle. But, every call to the dongle was something you could search for in the scripts. So she had scripts that did hashes of the scripts that talked to the dongle. And she had scripts that did hashes of the scripts that

Re: My old man vs LC Standalone

2019-10-21 Thread JB via use-livecode
rumor has it.. .. Anything Can Be CRACKED! JB > On Oct 21, 2019, at 7:39 PM, Tom Glod via use-livecode > wrote: > > Hi guys, > > My father and I have gotten to talking recently and I shared with him the > product I will the launching (shortly). My dad father is a kind of white > hat hacker

My old man vs LC Standalone

2019-10-21 Thread Tom Glod via use-livecode
Hi guys, My father and I have gotten to talking recently and I shared with him the product I will the launching (shortly). My dad father is a kind of white hat hacker and loves the challenge of it. My software will have a 30 day trial. He wants to help me by testing how hard it will be to