New Pricing

The pricing at the moment appears to be (is this right?) that if as a new customer you want Linux you pay either Gold Perpetual, at $1,000, or you go PAYG Cross Platform at $50 a month. This seems to give you IOS, Android, Sever, Mac and Windows, none of which you may want, but they are includ

New Pricing

I think I sent the this to the wrong address... hopefully this is the correct one. I'd like to thank Kevin for in-lighting us on the new pricing structure. I think we may have all jumped the gun somewhat. I must say it's not bad at all. I'm relieved as i'm just getting i

[OT] New pricing

Hello I received that from RunRev for next tuesday big day http://www.runrev.com/mailers/ks_mailer/index21.html?utm_campaign=kickstarter&utm_source=hubspot_email_marketing&utm_medium=email Could you tell me if I am correct interpreting this message ? - I can use the community edition on all platf

[OT] New pricing

Thanks for all the exchanges on this subject. I understand now that what I said in the first post in this thread is wrong, and I am thrilled. > - I can use the community edition on all platforms for free and open > source apps (except iOS because it is forbidden to publish an open source > app o

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On 08/21/2012 10:55 AM, Peter Alcibiades wrote: The pricing at the moment appears to be (is this right?) that if as a new customer you want Linux you pay either Gold Perpetual, at $1,000, or you go PAYG Cross Platform at $50 a month. PAYG seems very odd indeed . . . Suppose I am the sort of

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The PAYG model seems to me one of the most important and better deccissions taken. Being an ocassional developer using LiveCode monthly payment model it is something I could afford, in other way will have to choose other platform, I spent some time with Corona last year because the same reason.

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ut half a dozen posts. Count yourself lucky! Normally I go on far longer! Meanwhile, just two days ago Kevin wrote: Nothing has changed in the new store for existing customers, for any license type. The same pricing and upgrade policy applies. He went on to clarify that the n

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days ago Kevin wrote: Nothing has changed in the new store for existing customers, for any license type. The same pricing and upgrade policy applies. He went on to clarify that the new pricing only affects new customers, and that RunRev will be clarifying this further on their w

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et, but too indecisive to actually take the logical consequence of such a refusal and kill it, and that cannot do anyone any good. Peter -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/New-Pricing-tp4654078p4654093.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing l

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Yes, and risk that someone else will come along and reinvent the wheel as an open source project, cutting the dev out entirely. A lot of people in the Linux world see charging for software an evil thing. If people can produce something as good(?) as Office that costs nothing, why would MS try to

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ether right or wrong, they really are doing it, in a way that Rev for Linux is not. Its not for me by the way, but that's not the point. -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/New-Pricing-tp4654078p4654102.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing li

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e same sort of pricing as the versions for Mac and Win is financially worth it. Peter -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/New-Pricing-tp4654078p4654093.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

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iveCode. And if - after Kevin's cleaned up the explanation of the new pricing so this can be clearer - it turns out that there's no way for a Linux user to simply buy a Linux license to make software for Linux, well of course that would be just dumb and since it's so easily fixabl

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Richmond wrote: 3. How many of them feel that a Linux version of Livecode at the same sort of pricing as the versions for Mac and Win is financially worth it. I finally took a moment to look at the new store pricing grid. Now I see why folks are concerned. It's even worse than you describe

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On 08/21/2012 09:05 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote: Indeed, not offering a desktop-only option for any platform is so silly that I have to assume it's an error that will be corrected before the day's out. Very much so. I would (RunRev and Kevin Miller forgive me) offer something like this: 1.

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I'd noticed the same thing but thought I was missing something. I have to say that this whole pricing change seems to have been done in haste, and without the necessary expalnations to clarify what's chenged and what hasn't. Pete lcSQL Software On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 11

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d subscribing to updates c) ceased working if something happened to the issuing company d) required me to be online to get any work done e) required a licensing server to be online and its database accessible and up-to-date in order to function It seems that the new pricing structure is designed

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start up b) ceased working if I stopped subscribing to updates c) ceased working if something happened to the issuing company d) required me to be online to get any work done e) required a licensing server to be online and its database accessible and up-to-date in order to function It seems th

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On 8/21/12 1:30 PM, Richmond wrote: It is amazing, how, after supper, and a glass of Bulgarian Rakia [ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rakia ] everything becomes, all at once, simpler and highly comical. And (with a sideways dig at the 'GAY' component) it slippeth down somewhat more smoothly tha

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in order to start up >b) ceased working if I stopped subscribing to updates >c) ceased working if something happened to the issuing company >d) required me to be online to get any work done >e) required a licensing server to be online and its database >accessible and up-to-date in order

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Heh heh. I remember when the market pundits were saying Apple was dead when they got to 5% market share. I never believed it, but no one else listened to me at the time. Of course, no one listens to me now! Bob On Aug 21, 2012, at 10:50 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote: > EA has also begun moving so

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On 8/21/12 3:00 PM, Kevin Miller wrote: As far as the store front is concerned, we are showing the most popular products there. You can select a license and customize it, for example to get a desktop only product for a single platform. Ah. I see now. When I first looked at the storefront, my i

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I guess I never made it past the front page of the store, so I was as confused as anyone. I just poked around a little bit. Hovering over the words Pay as You Go or Perpetual explains what they mean. Click "Buy" on any perpetual package to swap components in and out. That allows you to purchas

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On 08/21/2012 11:47 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote: On 8/21/12 3:00 PM, Kevin Miller wrote: As far as the store front is concerned, we are showing the most popular products there. You can select a license and customize it, for example to get a desktop only product for a single platform. Ah. I see

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Interesting that there's no personal license users complaining. They are the only ones that could lose out with the new plans but arguably the low cost pay as you go could cover that market. It appears the only people complaining are the ones that state they are using very old versions with no p

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On 08/22/2012 12:37 AM, Monte Goulding wrote: Interesting that there's no personal license users complaining. They are the only ones that could lose out with the new plans but arguably the low cost pay as you go could cover that market. It appears the only people complaining are the ones that

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Kevin- Tuesday, August 21, 2012, 1:00:29 PM, you wrote: > As far as the store front is concerned, we are showing the most popular > products there. You can select a license and customize it, for example to > get a desktop only product for a single platform. That is a design It's not at all clear

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Bob- Tuesday, August 21, 2012, 1:09:17 PM, you wrote: > Heh heh. I remember when the market pundits were saying Apple was > dead when they got to 5% market share. I never believed it, but no > one else listened to me at the time. Of course, no one listens to me > now! ...sorry... were you sayin

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Jacque- Tuesday, August 21, 2012, 1:47:18 PM, you wrote: > I just now noticed that if I point to the word "perpetual" and wait > for the popup to appear it was explained. I didn't notice that either - I went to the chart at the bottom of the page which seems to have the same data but no popups,

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Kevin- Tuesday, August 21, 2012, 1:00:29 PM, you wrote: > Pay as you go pricing is something you are either going to love, or you > are going to hate. Anyone want to take bets as to where I stand on this? > as far as I'm aware not a single $ has been added or subtracted to > any option in any

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Good point! On Aug 21, 2012, at 3:13 PM, Mark Wieder wrote: > I've never > been a fan of the limited 30-day trial period, and this gives people > the option of trying the product for a more extended period until > they're ready to convert to a normal license. > > -- > -Mark Wieder ___

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On 08/21/2012 05:02 PM, Mark Wieder wrote: Kevin- Tuesday, August 21, 2012, 1:00:29 PM, you wrote: As far as the store front is concerned, we are showing the most popular products there. You can select a license and customize it, for example to get a desktop only product for a single platform.

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Yes, personal licensing has changed for new customers. However nothing has changed for existing customers, you can still buy upgrades in the same way to those licenses at the same price point. Kind regards, Kevin Kevin Miller ~ ke...@runrev.com ~ http://www.runrev.com/ LiveCode: Unleash Your Kil

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On 22/08/2012, at 8:35 AM, Kevin Miller wrote: > Yes, personal licensing has changed for new customers. However nothing has > changed for existing customers, you can still buy upgrades in the same way > to those licenses at the same price point. I think the changes are good for everyone in gene

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Warren- Tuesday, August 21, 2012, 3:20:31 PM, you wrote: >> It's not at all clear to me how to do that. Clicking on any of the >> "Buy" links doesn't allow any configuration. >> > Try the Android or iOS "Perpetual" option. Ah. There they are. And that brings things down to a reasonable level ag

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27;ve been used to. It means that whatever >> you buy you can continue to use forever. > > ___ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode@.runrev > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/

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On 08/22/2012 02:29 PM, Peter Alcibiades wrote: Yes, I had misunderstood. It seems that the situation is that Linux is in fact on a par with Mac+Windows. You buy either Android or IOS, and then you pick one included desktop, which can either be Linux or Mac+Windows, and the price seems to be th

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You're quite right, apologies. No, not very intuitive, but its there. Thanks. Peter -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/New-Pricing-tp4654167p4654179.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabbl

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On 8/22/12 4:30 PM, Peter Alcibiades wrote: You're quite right, apologies. No, not very intuitive, but its there. It's like clicking the Start button to shut down. :) -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw

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Oh that is just crazy talk! No one in their right mind would make an operating system like that!! And no one would buy it either oh wait NEVER MIND! :-) Bob On Aug 22, 2012, at 2:48 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote: > On 8/22/12 4:30 PM, Peter Alcibiades wrote: >> You're quite right, apologi

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Ah, like in iOS where you use the same button to turn OFF wi-fi as you do to turn it ON. So one could say they are STARTing the process of shut down. Perfectly logical, right? :) ~Roger On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 6:13 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote: > Oh that is just crazy talk! No one in their right mi

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On Wednesday, August 22, 2012, Peter Alcibiades wrote: > > > Richard is quite right - the market for this, particularly the paid market, > is very difficult and probably not worth going after for Rev. I'm probably > the only person on this list who genuinely never uses anything else but > Linux.

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Doc- Wednesday, August 22, 2012, 7:49:35 PM, you wrote: > I bought a Mac to text as a unix platformtwo years ago. > I've bought three more since, with a fourth to be delivered tomorrow. Still trying to get it right? -- -Mark Wieder mwie...@ahsoftware.net

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On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 7:56 PM, Mark Wieder wrote: > > I've bought three more since, with a fourth to be delivered tomorrow. > > Still trying to get it right? > Nah, those are the toshibas in various states of disassembly (btw--they work headless, but apparently, the bars holding the screen

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Doc- Thursday, August 23, 2012, 5:42:56 PM, you wrote: > Worked nicely, up until the staple sucked in by the magnetic cord > connector. Yikes! -- -Mark Wieder mwie...@ahsoftware.net ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Pleas

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Hi, Yes, that's how I interprete the website you linked to. I'm slightly disappointed that I can't buy single-platform licenses anymore. I wonder if this means I can no longer update my iOS license without updating my Windows/OSX license for example. That worries me a little. On the other han

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Georges Malamoud wrote: > Could you tell me if I am correct interpreting this message ? > > - I can use the community edition on all platforms for free and > open source apps (except iOS because it is forbidden to publish > an open source app on App Store) > - If I want a commercial app (even les

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On Sat, Apr 6, 2013 at 7:33 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote: > Today there are many other free software licenses, some of them more liberal > like MIT, Apache, and CopyLeft. But all of them gained inspiration and > credibility from the foundation established by the GPL, and its requirements > for the fr

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Dr. Hawkins wrote: On Sat, Apr 6, 2013 at 7:33 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote: Today there are many other free software licenses, some of them more liberal like MIT, Apache, and CopyLeft. But all of them gained inspiration and credibility from the foundation established by the GPL, and its requiremen

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On Sat, Apr 6, 2013 at 7:10 PM, Georges Malamoud wrote: > > - I can use the community edition on all platforms for free and open > source apps (except iOS because it is forbidden to publish an open source > app on App Store) > How do you come to that conclusion? This link seems to suggest otherwi

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I would be happy to be wrong on this subject. But remember the story about VLC on iOS. I will check soon with an iOS app this week ;) hoping Apple accepts it. Georges Envoyé de mon iPhone Le 7 avr. 2013 à 12:01, Kay C Lan a écrit : > On Sat, Apr 6, 2013 at 7:10 PM, Georges Malamoud > wrote: >

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http://michelf.ca/blog/2011/gpl-ios-app-store/ An other reference on the GPL iOS relationship Envoyé de mon iPhone Le 7 avr. 2013 à 12:01, Kay C Lan a écrit : > On Sat, Apr 6, 2013 at 7:10 PM, Georges Malamoud > wrote: > >> >> - I can use the community edition on all platforms for free and o

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Kay C La wrote: > On Sat, Apr 6, 2013 at 7:10 PM, Georges Malamoud free.fr>wrote: > > > > - I can use the community edition on all platforms for free and open > > source apps (except iOS because it is forbidden to publish an open source > > app on App Store) > > How do you come to that conclus

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On Sun, Apr 7, 2013 at 11:50 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote: > The review process at Apple is notoriously capricious. Given how widely > varying reviews are with regard to Apple's own policies, it wouldn't be > surprising if some, perhaps many, of Apple's employees were unfamiliar with > the Free Softwa

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Dr. Hawkins wrote: On Sun, Apr 7, 2013 at 11:50 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote: The review process at Apple is notoriously capricious. Given how widely varying reviews are with regard to Apple's own policies, it wouldn't be surprising if some, perhaps many, of Apple's employees were unfamiliar with t

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Dr. Hawkins wrote: On Sun, Apr 7, 2013 at 11:50 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote: The review process at Apple is notoriously capricious. Given how widely varying reviews are with regard to Apple's own policies, it wouldn't be surprising if some, perhaps many, of Apple's employees were unfamiliar with t

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Richard- Sunday, April 7, 2013, 4:36:41 PM, you wrote: > I'm no attorney, but as a layperson I would find it disturbing if the > explicit intentions of the creator of a license were not given weight in > how that license is interpreted. Yep. That's one of the differences between lawyers and --

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On Sun, Apr 7, 2013 at 4:23 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote: > I'm no attorney, but as a layperson I would find it disturbing if the > explicit intentions of the creator of a license were not given weight in how > that license is interpreted. It's not the explicit intentions, it's the drafting: your ti

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Dr. Hawkins wrote: > On Sun, Apr 7, 2013 at 4:23 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote: > > I'm no attorney, but as a layperson I would find it disturbing if the > > explicit intentions of the creator of a license were not given weight in how > > that license is interpreted. > > It's not the explicit intenti

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On Mon, Apr 8, 2013 at 2:50 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote: > > If Apple has recently changed their policies so they no longer have the > distribution limits that had made it incompatible with the GPL, that would > be welcome news. But I wasn't able to turn up any info suggesting that, so > the items in

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Yes Kay - I think you are right. This is a sort of unintended bug in the GPL - some purist like the bug because it puts pressure to keep platforms open - but it damages and confuses the situation with regard to open code. On the other hand RunRev may have factored this into their business plan (I

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Kay C Lan wrote: > On Mon, Apr 8, 2013 at 2:50 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote: >> >> If Apple has recently changed their policies so they no longer >> have the distribution limits that had made it incompatible with >> the GPL, that would be welcome news. But I wasn't able to turn >> up any info suggesti

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On Mon, Apr 8, 2013 at 11:10 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote: > I can't claim to be a legal authority on such matters, and as such I just > see what I see and pass it along; I'm not in a position to recommend that > people submit GPL-governed works to an app store that has pulled such works. > > No autho

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On 09/04/2013, at 5:12 PM, Georges Malamoud wrote: > Regarding the App Store, would it be useful if Runrev makes a public > statement to Apple stating that all stacks created with the community edition > of LC are covered by the GPLv2 license (or something else) and that as the > owner of the

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On Tue, Apr 9, 2013 at 12:12 AM, Georges Malamoud wrote: > Regarding the App Store, would it be useful if Runrev makes a public > statement to > Apple stating that all stacks created with the community edition of LC are > covered by > the GPLv2 license (or something else) and that as the owner o

Older versions. Was "New Pricing".

On 08/21/2012 03:50 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote: Richmond wrote: > 108. This reverts to my earlier question as to why RunRev aren't > prepared to market earlier versions > (say version 4.0) at a relatively reduced rate to folks like the > example above. Why version 4.0 specifically? Why not versi

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OK, second post in a row - really sorry for forgetting to delete the whole digest from the end of the last one before I hit send.  Promise not to do it again. :) Apple don't have an explicit policy against the GPL or any other open source license as far as I'm aware.  I am not an IP lawyer bu

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Mark, Thank you for your insight. Yes, I think the Android case is very interesting and is why I think pulling VLC from the Apple Store is just shooting oneself in the foot. If you want to evangelise OSS why have it pulled and force people back to commercial alternatives? I think many here have e

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We are looking at providing a very simple OSS license specifically for free, non-profit, not ad supported, non-promotional open source apps in the Mac/iOS app store. We'll probably go down the route of charging a $25 administration fee to supply an open license that lets you do this for apps you sp

Re: [OT] New pricing (GPL issues)

On 09/04/2013, at 11:29 PM, Kevin Miller wrote: > In terms of having someone with the commercial platform build an app for > you, we've prohibited that in our updated commercial EULA. Otherwise any > one of you could set up shop and build apps for anyone which would > circumvent the GPL. We woul

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Thanks Kevin for taking the time from what must be an extremely busy schedule to eleborate on this complex subject. Great to see the team want to make LC Community available to eveyone via EVERY means possible. Good luck! On Tue, Apr 9, 2013 at 9:29 PM, Kevin Miller wrote: > We are looking at

Re: Older versions. Was "New Pricing".

On 21/08/2012 14:09, Richmond wrote: Why version 4.0 specifically? Why not version 3.0, or 2.0, or 5.0? I used the word 'say'. I would like it if Runrev offered all previous whole-number versions from 2.0 onwards with a rider that NO SUPPORT is offered Offered or not people who pay expect

Re: Older versions. Was "New Pricing".

On 08/21/2012 04:18 PM, Ken Corey wrote: On 21/08/2012 14:09, Richmond wrote: Why version 4.0 specifically? Why not version 3.0, or 2.0, or 5.0? I used the word 'say'. I would like it if Runrev offered all previous whole-number versions from 2.0 onwards with a rider that NO SUPPORT is offe

Re: Older versions. Was "New Pricing".

On 8/21/12 8:18 AM, Ken Corey wrote: On 21/08/2012 14:09, Richmond wrote: It would bring RunRev some modest revenue from people who have neither the money to invest in the latest version, nor the requirements to have it. I disagree. I disagree too. A new customer may decide to download ver

Re: Older versions. Was "New Pricing".

On 08/21/2012 07:17 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote: On 8/21/12 8:18 AM, Ken Corey wrote: On 21/08/2012 14:09, Richmond wrote: It would bring RunRev some modest revenue from people who have neither the money to invest in the latest version, nor the requirements to have it. I disagree. I disagree

Re: Older versions. Was "New Pricing".

On 8/21/12 12:43 PM, Richmond wrote: I know that when J. Landman Gay writes her messages are fairly authoritative. As A result I will drop that 'beef' of mine. It was purely personal opinion, based only on previous observations of human behavior. Which, sorry to say, isn't always inspiring. :

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