Re: Upgrade to Lion on 15 inch laptop pro forces resize of stacks

2012-06-16 Thread Kay C Lan
William, after some extensive testing of Lion, I conclude that Lion behaves better than Snow Leopard in regard to the available size a stack can take up. I can only surmise that when you upgraded to Lion your Dock settings changed, in particular the default size prior to any magnification effect.

Re: Upgrade to Lion on 15 inch laptop pro forces resize of stacks

2012-06-16 Thread Kay C Lan
If you would like to test you own set up you can use the following: I created a new stack Untitled 1 and placed a button in it with this script: (watch for line wraps) on mouseUp put ScreenRect: the screenRect into tRec put item 4 of the screenRect into tScrnHt put item 3 of the

Re: Upgrade to Lion on 15 inch laptop pro forces resize of stacks

2012-06-16 Thread Richard Gaskin
Kay C Lan wrote: William, after some extensive testing of Lion, I conclude that Lion behaves better than Snow Leopard in regard to the available size a stack can take up. I can only surmise that when you upgraded to Lion your Dock settings changed, in particular the default size prior to any

Re: Upgrade to Lion on 15 inch laptop pro forces resize of stacks

2012-06-16 Thread Kay C Lan
William, This is very easy to achieve, in the card script, on openCard you can simply, lock screen set the height of stack my stack to 3456 set the width of stack my stack to 2345 This will override the automatic resizing that goes on. This does have it's problems though as it may push the

Re: Upgrade to Lion on 15 inch laptop pro forces resize of stacks

2012-06-16 Thread Peter Haworth
I get similar results on my iMac. However that doesnt help William. On the face of it, he upgraded to Lion, changed nothing in his lc app and nothing in his osx config, yet his stack size changed. I dont know if lc or osx caused this but we still haven-t figured out why it happened. Maybe its

Re: Upgrade to Lion on 15 inch laptop pro forces resize of stacks

2012-06-16 Thread Peter Haworth
I get similar results on my iMac. However that doesnt help William. On the face of it, he upgraded to Lion, changed nothing in his lc app and nothing in his osx config, yet his stack size changed. I dont know if lc or osx caused this but we still haven't figured out why it happened. Maybe its

Re: Upgrade to Lion on 15 inch laptop pro forces resize of stacks

2012-06-16 Thread william humphrey
I think that my problems may have had a lot to do with that I also work on a large monitor part of the time and on the laptop alone part of the time. I will remove the bug report I guess since all the excellent sleuthing proved somehow that my problem was operator error. Anyway, I redesigned my

Re: Upgrade to Lion on 15 inch laptop pro forces resize of stacks

2012-06-15 Thread william humphrey
Thanks for help with confirmation. I was hoping for a way to tell LiveCode that the stack size I set was locked and not to change it regardless of the size of the dock or the size of the screen that the stack is on. If that is not possible than I wish that there were suggested stack sizes in the

Re: Upgrade to Lion on 15 inch laptop pro forces resize of stacks

2012-06-14 Thread Bob Sneidar
Yeah, there is going to have to be something built in for a future update to address that. Otherwise devs are going to be forced to do geometry management for anything they intend to release, and we all know what a pain that can be. Bob On Jun 13, 2012, at 6:02 PM, Kay C Lan wrote: As for

Re: Upgrade to Lion on 15 inch laptop pro forces resize of stacks

2012-06-14 Thread Peter Haworth
Isn't the status field for use by the RunRev team? Still good if multiple people can confrim a problem, I'm just making sure I understand the use of the QCC correctly. Pete lcSQL Software http://www.lcsql.com On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 6:02 PM, Kay C Lan lan.kc.macm...@gmail.com wrote: I see

Re: Upgrade to Lion on 15 inch laptop pro forces resize of stacks

2012-06-14 Thread Peter Haworth
I am on an iMac wiht Lion. ScreenRect returns 0,0,1280,800 Working ScreenRect returns 4,22,1280,800 windowBoundingRect returns 4,74,1280,800 My dock is on the left of the screen so that accounts for the 0/4 in the first item. I assume the top setting of windowboundingrect takes the IDE

Re: Upgrade to Lion on 15 inch laptop pro forces resize of stacks

2012-06-13 Thread william humphrey
think of is code that resizes all the stacks when I switch between them on the laptop. This is clearly caused by the upgrade to lion as nothing else changed and if I boot from leopard the problem goes away. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode

Re: Upgrade to Lion on 15 inch laptop pro forces resize of stacks

2012-06-13 Thread Bob Sneidar
on the laptop. This is clearly caused by the upgrade to lion as nothing else changed and if I boot from leopard the problem goes away. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage

Re: Upgrade to Lion on 15 inch laptop pro forces resize of stacks

2012-06-13 Thread william humphrey
between them on the laptop. This is clearly caused by the upgrade to lion as nothing else changed and if I boot from leopard the problem goes away. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe

Re: Upgrade to Lion on 15 inch laptop pro forces resize of stacks

2012-06-13 Thread Bob Sneidar
We will probably see a Livecode update that will accommodate it. Just guessing tho'. Bob On Jun 13, 2012, at 11:57 AM, william humphrey wrote: OK - I reported it is the qacenter. I wonder what is going to happen to our stacks on the new retina display laptop? Will they be tiny little

Re: Upgrade to Lion on 15 inch laptop pro forces resize of stacks

2012-06-13 Thread Kay C Lan
William, I see your QCC report is unconfirmed. What you need is people here to do a quick test - sorry I am not at home to test this on my wife's Lion Mac. Anyone with Lion simply needs to type in the msg box: put the working screenrect They should get something back like: 0,22,1920,1196 They

Re: Upgrade to Lion on 15 inch laptop pro forces resize of stacks

2012-06-13 Thread Igor de Oliveira Couto
On 14/06/2012, at 11:02 AM, Kay C Lan wrote: You are seeing a 70 pixel difference, and that is what is causing your problem. If other people here test it and they get a 70 pixel difference then the bug can be confirmed. I can confirm, that I do get quite a large difference - over 70. That,

Re: Upgrade to Lion on 15 inch laptop pro forces resize of stacks

2012-06-13 Thread Jan Schenkel
Rochefoucauld) - Original Message - From: Kay C Lan lan.kc.macm...@gmail.com To: How to use LiveCode use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Cc: Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2012 3:02 AM Subject: Re: Upgrade to Lion on 15 inch laptop pro forces resize of stacks William, I see your QCC report is unconfirmed

Re: Upgrade to Lion on 15 inch laptop pro forces resize of stacks

2012-06-13 Thread Kay C Lan
On Thu, Jun 14, 2012 at 10:23 AM, Igor de Oliveira Couto I can confirm, that I do get quite a large difference - over 70. That, however, does not seem to be a bug, but rather due to the fact that the 'working screenRect' on MacOS X takes into consideration not only the space taken by the

Re: Upgrade to Lion on 15 inch laptop pro forces resize of stacks

2012-06-13 Thread Kay C Lan
On Thu, Jun 14, 2012 at 1:07 PM, Kay C Lan lan.kc.macm...@gmail.com wrote: So my guess is that LC takes the working screenRect and reduces your stack by 86 pixels. Whoops, bad math, that should read 84 pixels. ___ use-livecode mailing list

Re: Upgrade to Lion on 15 inch laptop pro forces resize of stacks

2012-06-08 Thread Jacques Hausser
Le 8 juin 2012 à 01:27, william humphrey a écrit : So maybe it is something to do with the dock at the bottom of the screen. Didn't have this problem before os Lion. I'm not excited about re-designing all my cards to be shorter. You can check it by moving the dock on the side (system

Re: Upgrade to Lion on 15 inch laptop pro forces resize of stacks

2012-06-08 Thread Richmond
On 08/06/12 15:15, Jacques Hausser wrote: Le 8 juin 2012 à 01:27, william humphrey a écrit : So maybe it is something to do with the dock at the bottom of the screen. Didn't have this problem before os Lion. I'm not excited about re-designing all my cards to be shorter. You can check it by

Re: Upgrade to Lion on 15 inch laptop pro forces resize of stacks

2012-06-08 Thread Peter Haworth
Unless I'm missing something, the crux of William's problem is that he simply upgraded to Lion without chaging anything in his application and now his stacks are a differernt height on the same computer, same screen size, no changes to his application. If that's true then either LC is doing

Re: Upgrade to Lion on 15 inch laptop pro forces resize of stacks

2012-06-08 Thread Richard Gaskin
no difference). It was something to do with upgrade to Lion as that was the only change I made. So maybe it is something to do with the dock at the bottom of the screen. Didn't have this problem before os Lion. I'm not excited about re-designing all my cards to be shorter. Did you add a menubar recently

Re: Upgrade to Lion on 15 inch laptop pro forces resize of stacks

2012-06-08 Thread Kay C Lan
On Fri, Jun 8, 2012 at 7:27 AM, william humphrey b...@bluewatermaritime.com wrote: This is the working screenrect for my mac os laptop pro 0,22,1440,830 The problem seems to be here, but not sure if it is LC or Lion. You must have a MacBook Pro that has a screen resolution of 1440x900. On

Upgrade to Lion on 15 inch laptop pro forces resize of stacks

2012-06-07 Thread william humphrey
Has anyone noticed that the height of stacks is forced back to 735 pixels on MacOS lion on laptop with a stack designed to be 790 pixels high and not resizable? How do we prevent that? ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please

Re: Upgrade to Lion on 15 inch laptop pro forces resize of stacks

2012-06-07 Thread Richard Gaskin
william humphrey wrote: Has anyone noticed that the height of stacks is forced back to 735 pixels on MacOS lion on laptop with a stack designed to be 790 pixels high and not resizable? How do we prevent that? How big is your monitor? And what is the value of the stack's maxHeight property?

Re: Upgrade to Lion on 15 inch laptop pro forces resize of stacks

2012-06-07 Thread william humphrey
the MaxHeight is only available when the stack is resizable. I have the stack set to no-resize so I was surprised when my laptops 15 inch monitor, the same one that ran fine before upgrade to Lion, now cuts the stack down to a smaller size even though the original size fit fine on the monitor

Re: Upgrade to Lion on 15 inch laptop pro forces resize of stacks

2012-06-07 Thread Paul Looney
. The property still exists and can affect rendered size - what is its value? I have the stack set to no-resize so I was surprised when my laptops 15 inch monitor, the same one that ran fine before upgrade to Lion, now cuts the stack down to a smaller size even though the original size fit

Re: Upgrade to Lion on 15 inch laptop pro forces resize of stacks

2012-06-07 Thread Klaus on-rev
upgrade to Lion, now cuts the stack down to a smaller size even though the original size fit fine on the monitor. 15 monitors come in a wide range of resolutions. What is the resolution of your monitor, and what was the original height of the stack? -- Richard Gaskin Best Klaus

Re: Upgrade to Lion on 15 inch laptop pro forces resize of stacks

2012-06-07 Thread william humphrey
This is the working screenrect for my mac os laptop pro 0,22,1440,830 and that is much larger than the stack which is 726 by 780 and the max height is 900 (it was originally the default of 6500 but that seemed to make no difference). It was something to do with upgrade to Lion

Re: Upgrade to Lion on 15 inch laptop pro forces resize of stacks

2012-06-07 Thread J. Landman Gay
to do with upgrade to Lion as that was the only change I made. So maybe it is something to do with the dock at the bottom of the screen. Didn't have this problem before os Lion. I'm not excited about re-designing all my cards to be shorter. Did you add a menubar recently? That can scroll the stack

Re: Upgrade to Lion

2012-06-01 Thread Richmond
On 06/01/2012 02:17 AM, Kay C Lan wrote: On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 8:19 PM, Francis Nugent Dixon effe...@wanadoo.frwrote: And they all Start Up and Shut Down in record time (now that IS a big advantage !) Are there any other advantages ? I misread this the first time, I thought you were

Re: Upgrade to Lion

2012-06-01 Thread Richmond
On 06/01/2012 02:31 AM, Bob Sneidar wrote: After reading that article, it reenforces this growing concern that I have that more and more people at Apple are not competent. It feels like after Steve passed that a lot of people who were not getting their way earlier are getting their way now,

Re: Upgrade to Lion

2012-06-01 Thread Paul Looney
On May 31, 2012, at 4:17 PM, Kay C Lan wrote: ... By the end the day my wife will have 10-15 apps running, so when I go to start her computer in the morning to have another play with Lion it takes forever to get all those apps back up and running and all those windows in place. My old IIci

Re: Upgrade to Lion

2012-06-01 Thread Warren Samples
On 06/01/2012 10:15 AM, Paul Looney wrote: Obviously Apple is thinking ahead to the day when all of the Macs will have SSDs. This is a coin whose flip side is that they would obviously not be thinking about their current users whose computers do not. That makes this coin worth zero cents.

Re: Upgrade to Lion

2012-06-01 Thread Bob Sneidar
I have been forced to install Lion on a number of management office computers, not because it is better or people like it, but because the department head insists on using iCloud for shared calendaring, and will not consider any other alternative, and Apple will not consider making iCloud

Re: Upgrade to Lion

2012-06-01 Thread Kay C Lan
On Fri, Jun 1, 2012 at 4:48 PM, Richmond richmondmathew...@gmail.comwrote: My younger son, who is at a private school in Germany informs me that all the kids there are buying new MacBooks with Lion installed; and, the first thing they do is blank the hard-drive and install Snow Leopard!

Re: Upgrade to Lion

2012-05-31 Thread Kay C Lan
Peter, Please accept my apology for the slow reply but my access to this List can be sporadic. I'm sure you are more wise than I am in this regard as I've gleaned many SQL tidbits from your posts to this List. As for SQLite being ubiquitous on moblie devices, in my own opinion it's due more to

Re: Upgrade to Lion

2012-05-31 Thread Kay C Lan
Jeff, Sorry for the slow reply. I agree, although I didn't suggest it would be an iPad only world. I can see MacBook Airs/Pro, keyboards for input, trackpad/touch screen for manipulation. Who knows, maybe even Siri will immigrate, so all those keyboard shortcuts can be perfomend by Voice - the

Re: Upgrade to Lion

2012-05-31 Thread Francis Nugent Dixon
Hi from Beautiful Brittany, After spending half a day on reading all the Upgrade to Lion posts (Oufff !), I have a few comments : 1 - I bought a Macbook Pro portable with Lion, and was driven mad by the problem of scrolling, and the strange trackpad. It took me about a week to solve the problem

Re: Upgrade to Lion

2012-05-31 Thread Francis Nugent Dixon
Hi from you know where, Jacqueline wrote : I really like Time Machine too -- for backups. It's always running, and it's saved me repeatedly. Same with me, but NEVER, NEVER rename any of your files. If you do, you will never find ye olde file versions. -Francis Nothing should ever be done

Re: Upgrade to Lion

2012-05-31 Thread Richard Gaskin
Kay C Lan wrote: As for SQLite being ubiquitous on moblie devices, in my own opinion it's due more to it's price, like mySQL and gmail. If people had to pay $5 a month for the privilege I think suddenly the numbers would shift. Just because a billion people do, doesn't mean it's the best.

Re: Upgrade to Lion

2012-05-31 Thread Bob Sneidar
I think in a good economy Apple would do that, but in this economy I believe that would be a big risk. It's my humble opinion that Apple is focusing on the big revenue generators and waiting out the global recession is what I believe they are still calling it. Bob On May 31, 2012, at 3:57

Re: Upgrade to Lion

2012-05-31 Thread Bob Sneidar
That is too bad you paid for Snow Leopard. Apple since has been giving Snow Leopard away to those who upgrade to Lion from Leopard. Perhaps you can get a refund? Bob On May 31, 2012, at 5:19 AM, Francis Nugent Dixon wrote: Then I spent several days updating my 2 iMacs from OS 10.5, through

Re: Upgrade to Lion

2012-05-31 Thread Jeff Reynolds
two 2tb external drives and just alternate between them once a week with time machine. figure if a drive goes worst case is loosing a week. so far they have zipped along for a while now with no issues. of course with murphy's law of backups i have not had to use them as they are effective

Re: Upgrade to Lion

2012-05-31 Thread Tim Jones
On May 30, 2012, at 1:00 PM, use-livecode-requ...@lists.runrev.com wrote: 3 times I had tape backups fail me when I needed them most. I will never, no ever, no not ever use tape again. Bob I can feel your pain as we hear nightmare stories all the time, but I would be willing to bet a

Re: Upgrade to Lion -- why Valentina has columnar format ...

2012-05-31 Thread Ruslan Zasukhin
On 5/31/12 5:47 PM, Richard Gaskin ambassa...@fourthworld.com wrote: Hi Richard, The sql statements were not that complex, just a LOT of toing and froing between LC and the db. I soon abandoned SQLite as it was clear that Valentina was getting the answers quicker. Ruslan's genius is

Re: Upgrade to Lion

2012-05-31 Thread Bob Sneidar
Should not need to alternate drives with Time Machine. Bob On May 31, 2012, at 9:36 AM, Jeff Reynolds wrote: two 2tb external drives and just alternate between them once a week with time machine. figure if a drive goes worst case is loosing a week. so far they have zipped along for a

Re: Upgrade to Lion -- why Valentina has columnar format ...

2012-05-31 Thread Bob Sneidar
Foxpro does, but it's slow. Bob On May 31, 2012, at 9:57 AM, Ruslan Zasukhin wrote: Additionally, the structure of an SQLite DB, particularly the indexing, can radically improve performance. Not very right. Any db have indexing. And relational, and navigational, and columnar. Nobody

Re: Upgrade to Lion

2012-05-31 Thread Bob Sneidar
First time was software, back when I was maintaining a database on an 8086 machine that used EIDE drives (remember that hell?) Second time it was the drive. It went bad and took out the tapes. The person overseeing the backups was getting errors, but didn't tell anyone until the very last tape,

Re: Upgrade to Lion -- why Valentina has columnar format ...

2012-05-31 Thread Ruslan Zasukhin
On 5/31/12 8:14 PM, Bob Sneidar b...@twft.com wrote: Foxpro does, but it's slow. You mean that foxpro can do search on column that is not indexed ? Well, of course each db engine can do this. :-) And Valentina, and Light, and mySQL, ... And yes it is much slower than indexed search, I

Re: Upgrade to Lion -- why Valentina has columnar format ...

2012-05-31 Thread Ruslan Zasukhin
On 5/31/12 9:35 PM, Bob Sneidar b...@twft.com wrote: Yes, but it is my understanding of SQL that a query on a non-indexed column will create a temporary index in mySQL and maybe others. I do not think so ... Look. To build index db engine need read all values of column yes? and yet build the

Re: Upgrade to Lion - backups

2012-05-31 Thread Jeff Reynolds
bob, alternate drive is for redundancy if a drive were ever to poop out and I keep one off site or in a firesafe if here as well for the theft/fire issue. I learned this thru a friend who had a very redundant backup system. only problem was not good about offsite and there was a fire in the

Re: Upgrade to Lion - backups

2012-05-31 Thread Tim Jones
And ... what do you do if part of your failure instance includes a lack of network connectivity? No way back from that one. Just saying... Tim On May 31, 2012, at 1:52 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote: OIC that makes sense then. I priced out some of these online backup systems like Carbonite, and by

RE: Upgrade to Lion - backups

2012-05-31 Thread Ralph DiMola
...@evergreeninfo.net -Original Message- From: use-livecode-boun...@lists.runrev.com [mailto:use-livecode-boun...@lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Tim Jones Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2012 4:58 PM To: How to use LiveCode Subject: Re: Upgrade to Lion - backups And ... what do you do if part of your

Re: Upgrade to Lion

2012-05-31 Thread Peter Haworth
Hi Kay, You raise some interesting theories. For your gps-based system, I would have recommended that you take a look at the sqlite rtree extension which is specifically geared to range-based queries such as gps coordinates. Unfortunately, the version of the sqlite library that is currently

Re: Upgrade to Lion -- why Valentina has columnar format ...

2012-05-31 Thread Peter Haworth
SQL only creates indexes on the fly in very specific circumstances so most of the time, you'll get a serial scan if your'e selecting on a column that is not indexed. You can use the EXPLAIN QUERY PLAN statement to find out exactly how any given SELECT statement is processed by sqlite. Even if you

Re: Upgrade to Lion

2012-05-31 Thread Kay C Lan
Richard, Peter, Thank you for your excellent insights, you are both far more knowledgeable in this area than I, so I appreciate learning from you. On Fri, Jun 1, 2012 at 6:08 AM, Peter Haworth p...@lcsql.com wrote: I was hoping you had found something to explain some of my Lion issues in

Re: Upgrade to Lion

2012-05-31 Thread Kay C Lan
On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 8:19 PM, Francis Nugent Dixon effe...@wanadoo.frwrote: And they all Start Up and Shut Down in record time (now that IS a big advantage !) Are there any other advantages ? I misread this the first time, I thought you were confirming that Lion takes

Re: Upgrade to Lion

2012-05-31 Thread Bob Sneidar
After reading that article, it reenforces this growing concern that I have that more and more people at Apple are not competent. It feels like after Steve passed that a lot of people who were not getting their way earlier are getting their way now, and screwing things up. I am probably just

Re: Upgrade to Lion

2012-05-31 Thread Peter Haworth
Thanks Kay, interesting stuff on excluding the TM disk form a backup. Sounds like even though it's listed to be excluded, it isn't! I also found a comment on one of the blog posts indicating how to get rid of the Spotlight index file and start over. I'm tempted to try that but wondering how

Re: Upgrade to Lion

2012-05-31 Thread Bob Sneidar
2 weeks. ;-) Bob On May 31, 2012, at 4:35 PM, Peter Haworth wrote: Thanks Kay, interesting stuff on excluding the TM disk form a backup. Sounds like even though it's listed to be excluded, it isn't! I also found a comment on one of the blog posts indicating how to get rid of the

Re: Upgrade to Lion

2012-05-31 Thread Tim Jones
On May 31, 2012, at 4:47 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote: 2 weeks. ;-) Hey Bob, I didn't know that you were an engineer, too! Tim ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your

Re: Upgrade to Lion

2012-05-30 Thread -=JB=-
If you want to find different versions of documents you have backed up with Time Machine it sounds like you might be able to do it with the program Back-in-Time 2. http://www.tri-edre.fr/download/download/backintime.html -=JB=- On May 29, 2012, at 8:28 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote: On 5/29/12

Re: Upgrade to Lion

2012-05-30 Thread Pierre Sahores
I like your points of view, young man ;D Pierre Le 30 mai 2012 à 02:45, Paul Looney a écrit : Stephen, Jacque, You kids and your new toys! My daily driver is an 1984 MB 300D - with 514,000 miles (830,000 k). Runs fine, a joy to drive. Would not hesitate to take it again to Maine, or

Re: Upgrade to Lion

2012-05-30 Thread Thomas McGrath III
Peter, Totally serious question: When do you switch off that computer controlled traction control??? What are you doing that you need to turn it off? I have to ask because I have this VDC switch in my Pathfinder that I have absolutely no idea what it is or why I would ever need to turn it off.

Re: Upgrade to Lion

2012-05-30 Thread Jeff Reynolds
Kay, You make some good points here, but there is one thing missing in this ipad only vision. its hard to do a lot of work on an ipad. yes its great to read stuff and do stuff on the fly, but its just not a good productive environment for heavy duty work. ive used the ipad a lot since it has

RE: Upgrade to Lion

2012-05-30 Thread Ralph DiMola
LiveCode Subject: Re: Upgrade to Lion Peter, Totally serious question: When do you switch off that computer controlled traction control??? What are you doing that you need to turn it off? I have to ask because I have this VDC switch in my Pathfinder that I have absolutely no idea what it is or why I

Re: Upgrade to Lion

2012-05-30 Thread Bob Sneidar
3 times I had tape backups fail me when I needed them most. I will never, no ever, no not ever use tape again. Bob On May 29, 2012, at 7:27 PM, Tim Jones wrote: I agree that Time Machine can be a life saver is you have nothing else, but do have something else - I use BRU and DAT-160 or

Re: Upgrade to Lion

2012-05-30 Thread Paul Hibbert
:-) I know the feeling, I lost count of how many times I swore at the tape machines, I'd never go back to tapes. Paul On 2012-05-30, at 8:27 AM, Bob Sneidar wrote: 3 times I had tape backups fail me when I needed them most. I will never, no ever, no not ever use tape again. Bob On

Re: Upgrade to Lion

2012-05-30 Thread Peter Haworth
That looks like a great product. Pete lcSQL Software http://www.lcsql.com On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 11:33 PM, -=JB=- sund...@pacifier.com wrote: If you want to find different versions of documents you have backed up with Time Machine it sounds like you might be able to do it with the program

Re: Upgrade to Lion

2012-05-30 Thread Peter Haworth
Kay, I'm puzzled by your remark about sqlite below. SQLite is an in-memory database with a very small footprint and I doubt you will find a faster SQL implementation. That's not to say it's perfect for all uses, partuclarly in a multi-user enviornment, but the fact that it's used in abundance on

Re: Upgrade to Lion

2012-05-29 Thread Mark Schonewille
So... previously I was free to do whatever I wanted and at some point I chose Save As... if I wanted to keep my current version next to my new version. Simple. Now I no longer have the freedom to do whatever I want, as Apple forces me to use their and exactly their workflow and nothing but

Re: Upgrade to Lion

2012-05-29 Thread Pierre Sahores
Igor, Thanks for pointing this to our eyes ! Useful to know. Kind regards, Pierre Le 29 mai 2012 à 02:14, Igor de Oliveira Couto a écrit : -- Understanding Old Save + Save As... x New Autosave Versions + Duplicate

Re: Upgrade to Lion

2012-05-29 Thread stephen barncard
Unfortunately no Photoshop, Pro Tools HD or Final Cut 7 for Linux. I hope Digidesign doesn't try to go with the flow. On Mon, May 28, 2012 at 11:21 PM, Mark Schonewille m.schonewi...@economy-x-talk.com wrote: So... previously I was free to do whatever I wanted and at some point I chose Save

Re: Upgrade to Lion

2012-05-29 Thread Kay C Lan
Hmmm, All this seems to just confirm that we are old and set in our ways, not that Apple is headed in the wrong direction. It seems to remind me of the complaints about the introduction of automatic chokes vs manual chokes; electronic ignition vs mechanical points; fuel injection vs

Re: Upgrade to Lion

2012-05-29 Thread Mark Schonewille
Kay, It is too early to decide whether Apple is heading in the right direction or not. If Mac-veterans leave Apple, Apple is definitely doing something wrong, even if it is good for their business. Your statement that I'm old is appalling and offensive and makes me not want to read the

Re: Upgrade to Lion

2012-05-29 Thread Kay C Lan
Mark, My apologies, I did not appreciate that old is an offensive term and will try not use it from now on. The term is a sign of respect in my culture, but mine is not necessarily the right culture and I should appreciate other cultures can be 180 degrees out of phase to my own. I merely tried

Re: Upgrade to Lion

2012-05-29 Thread stephen barncard
Maybe this doesn't affect *your* Save methodology, but it affects *mine*. The Macintosh used to be about having several ways to accomplish a task, now we are confronted with fewer choices, THEIR choices. That's my problem with what's happening to the OS. When I save an audio or video file, I

Re: Upgrade to Lion

2012-05-29 Thread Igor de Oliveira Couto
Kay, thank you very much for the correction: On 29/05/2012, at 4:42 PM, Kay C Lan wrote: [...] I don't know where you got the information about Versions taking up a lot of storage space if you have a lot of backups, but my understanding its the complete opposite. Like TimeMachine, Version

Re: Upgrade to Lion

2012-05-29 Thread Richard Gaskin
stephen barncard wrote: Maybe this doesn't affect *your* Save methodology, but it affects *mine*. The Macintosh used to be about having several ways to accomplish a task, now we are confronted with fewer choices, THEIR choices. That's my problem with what's happening to the OS. When I save an

Re: Upgrade to Lion

2012-05-29 Thread Kay C Lan
Stephen, undoubtedly you are right, our methodologies are different. But that is not what my comments are about, and clearly I have problems expressing myself - which is understandable when you consider I only passed English because 49.5 was rounded up to 50% :-( So in attempt not to offend

Re: Upgrade to Lion

2012-05-29 Thread Colin Holgate
I seem to be having a different experience with Lion than many here. I too was reluctant to change my way of scrolling, or to give up on using Rosetta apps, and so had not yet upgraded to Lion. I usually grab OSX updates very early on (as a piece of trivia, I was the first person anywhere,

Re: Upgrade to Lion

2012-05-29 Thread Tim Jones
On May 29, 2012, at 8:58 AM, Colin Holgate wrote: Having got a little used to Lion I then felt better about trying out Mountain Lion. My current setup is that I have 10.8 on my internal SSD, and still have 10.7.4 on the external SSD. I still need that because under 10.8 you can't publish

Re: Upgrade to Lion

2012-05-29 Thread J. Landman Gay
On 5/29/12 2:22 AM, Kay C Lan wrote: I merely tried to use an analogy that people get set in their ways, especially the longer they have been using something. I hope I haven't offended any Hot Rodders, as that was not my intent either. I'm an old hot-rodder. I kept my 17-year-old car until a

Re: Upgrade to Lion

2012-05-29 Thread Bob Sneidar
That was just a scam our parents conned us into. We all fell for it. Now they AND our children are laughing at us! ;-) Bob On May 29, 2012, at 9:52 AM, J. Landman Gay wrote: I'm getting used to being old. Sort of. Now I'm waiting for respect for the aged to kick in. :)

Re: Upgrade to Lion

2012-05-29 Thread Richard Gaskin
J. Landman Gay wrote: On 5/29/12 2:22 AM, Kay C Lan wrote: I merely tried to use an analogy that people get set in their ways, especially the longer they have been using something. I hope I haven't offended any Hot Rodders, as that was not my intent either. I'm an old hot-rodder. I kept my

Re: Upgrade to Lion

2012-05-29 Thread Peter Haworth
I bought a new car recently. It has automatic transmission so it decides when to shift gears. Except that there's a mode where I can use it like manual transmission and control when the gear shifts happen. It also has computer controlled traction control. But I can switch it off if I want to

Re: Upgrade to Lion

2012-05-29 Thread dunbarx
either scroll and zoom or point and click. Make it not natural. Craig -Original Message- From: Peter Haworth p...@lcsql.com To: How to use LiveCode use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Sent: Tue, May 29, 2012 1:30 pm Subject: Re: Upgrade to Lion I bought a new car recently. It has automatic

Re: Upgrade to Lion

2012-05-29 Thread Peter Haworth
and zoom or point and click. Make it not natural. Craig -Original Message- From: Peter Haworth p...@lcsql.com To: How to use LiveCode use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Sent: Tue, May 29, 2012 1:30 pm Subject: Re: Upgrade to Lion I bought a new car recently. It has automatic

Re: Upgrade to Lion

2012-05-29 Thread Peter Haworth
PS The setting is in the mouse Prefs, uncheck Move Contenet in the direction of finger movement to get back to the old way. Pete lcSQL Software http://www.lcsql.com On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 11:36 AM, Peter Haworth p...@lcsql.com wrote: Hah! So the scroll direction DID change! That's been

Re: Upgrade to Lion

2012-05-29 Thread Colin Holgate
I use trackpad full time, and the new way feels fine. I think with a mouse wheel it would be a little more confusing. On May 29, 2012, at 2:23 PM, dunb...@aol.com wrote: I am not near my Lion machine, but I believe the fix is in the trackPad/mouse pane of system preferences, under either

Re: Upgrade to Lion

2012-05-29 Thread Peter Haworth
Yes, I think the problme is with the mouse wheel. At the risk of being accused of being to set in my ways, why did Apple change this? It made me feel seasick! Pete lcSQL Software http://www.lcsql.com On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 12:04 PM, Colin Holgate co...@verizon.net wrote: I use trackpad

Re: Upgrade to Lion

2012-05-29 Thread J. Landman Gay
On 5/29/12 12:29 PM, Peter Haworth wrote: But I can switch it off if I want to do things where I would rather it wasn't in control (don't ask!). Exactly the point. That's what Apple should have done. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software

Re: Upgrade to Lion

2012-05-29 Thread Tim Jones
They made the change because it's more like moving the page with your finger on the iPad/iPhone. You want the page to move up - you flick up, move down, flick down. This is the exact opposite of the old scrollwheel way where you moved the scrollbar thumb, not the contents. Also, once you get

Re: Upgrade to Lion

2012-05-29 Thread Peter Haworth
I thought you'd get it! Pete lcSQL Software http://www.lcsql.com On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 12:15 PM, J. Landman Gay jac...@hyperactivesw.comwrote: On 5/29/12 12:29 PM, Peter Haworth wrote: But I can switch it off if I want to do things where I would rather it wasn't in control (don't ask!).

Re: Upgrade to Lion

2012-05-29 Thread Peter Haworth
Yeah, I can certainly see that it would be more natural for gestures and/or a trackpad. All I can say is it confused the heck out of me and I'm happy now I'm back to the old way. I use a Kensington mouse on my Mac and I thought for a while it wasn't compatible with Lion. Pete lcSQL Software

Re: Upgrade to Lion

2012-05-29 Thread François Chaplais
My two cents: about the scrolling: first time I got a mac (in '88) I found the way scroll arrows worked totally counter intuitive about time machine: yes, it can be a plague. I recently thought of excluding ~/Library/Caches in the Time machine options and things are definitively better now. IMHO,

Re: Upgrade to Lion

2012-05-29 Thread stephen barncard
I've got you beat on that Jacque, my 1988 stick Volvo station wagon is still my favorite car, even though I inherited a 2005 Prius. On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 9:52 AM, J. Landman Gay jac...@hyperactivesw.comwrote: On 5/29/12 2:22 AM, Kay C Lan wrote: I merely tried to use an analogy that people

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