Re: Wondering about LC and HTML5

2011-06-28 Thread Nonsanity
There was a Revolution. Now the pawns are in charge with a representative democracy. Their rallying cry is Anyone can be a queen! I think it needs work, myself... ~ Chris Innanen ~ Nonsanity On Wed, Jun 22, 2011 at 5:54 PM, Chipp Walters ch...@chipp.com wrote: Is the King the one with the

Re: Wondering about LC and HTML5

2011-06-28 Thread John Patten
FWIW... Google just released a tool called Swiffy. It will convert swf files into HTML5 files. They have a few examples in their post: http://googlecode.blogspot.com/2011/06/swiffy-convert-swf-files-to-html5.html Not sure how relevant to LiveCode, but is another example of converting

Re: Wondering about LC and HTML5

2011-06-22 Thread Michael Kann
John, Thanks for the heads-up. Keep 'em coming. Mike --- On Tue, 6/21/11, John Patten johnpat...@mac.com wrote: From: John Patten johnpat...@mac.com Subject: Re: Wondering about LC and HTML5 To: How to use LiveCode use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Date: Tuesday, June 21, 2011, 6:08 PM Hi All

Re: Wondering about LC and HTML5

2011-06-22 Thread Michael Kann
: Wondering about LC and HTML5 To: use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Date: Tuesday, June 21, 2011, 4:23 PM Michael Kann wrote: I would like to be able to download a webpage or an entire website, with the css and javascript libraries that go with it. On your desktop you isolate all the parts

Re: Wondering about LC and HTML5

2011-06-22 Thread Richard Gaskin
Michael Kann wrote: Richard, You're the chess grandmaster thinking nine moves ahead. I'm just trying to figure out how the pieces move. Thanks for trying to figure out what that stupid paragraph was supposed to mean. All I was really trying to say was that we might use LiveCode to gather

Re: Wondering about LC and HTML5

2011-06-22 Thread Bob Sneidar
You keep your queen for 15 minutes??? I always use her to take as many pawns as I can!! Bob On Jun 22, 2011, at 8:40 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote: PS: I actually very much suck at chess, but my ineptitude with the game doesn't stop me from enjoying it. If anyone wants an easy win just bring a

Re: Wondering about LC and HTML5

2011-06-22 Thread Andre Garzia
no no no, you are doing it wrong, you need to attack straight away with the KING the pawns and knights will see the king charging and will follow! On Wed, Jun 22, 2011 at 6:08 PM, Bob Sneidar b...@twft.com wrote: You keep your queen for 15 minutes??? I always use her to take as many pawns

Re: Wondering about LC and HTML5

2011-06-21 Thread Chipp Walters
Terry, Thank you for your thoughtful reply. A couple of thoughts crossed my mind while reading it. Years ago, in a former life, I used to attend various CEO conferences. At one of them, I had a chance to visit with Eric Schmidt, now of Google, but then he was with Sun. We got to talking about

Re: Wondering about LC and HTML5

2011-06-21 Thread Chipp Walters
Andre, Very nice! Of course your challenge will be how to add a geometry manager to the stack-- and the resulting website! It might be interesting to have it pop out a WordPress theme ;-) Good stuff for sure. I look forward to hearing more about it. On Tue, Jun 21, 2011 at 12:17 AM, Andre

Re: Wondering about LC and HTML5

2011-06-21 Thread Andre Garzia
Chipp, You know what? I already have part of the geometry manager somewhat working. You can see that rectangle graphics, it has a geometry setting for absolute position on the right side, I use that as a hint that the given object should have width: 100% instead of its actual width... it is all

Re: Wondering about LC and HTML5

2011-06-21 Thread Pierre Sahores
I don't expect that some LiveCard HC equivalent will ever help us to build professional grade HTML5/CSS3 LC powered client-side apps. On the other hand, in about server-side LC-server driven apps, i expect that a full revamped set of htmltext and unicode LC-engine features would greatly help us

Re: Wondering about LC and HTML5

2011-06-21 Thread Richard Gaskin
Andre Garzia wrote: I just can't resist, this thread is just too good. Here is a movie I just recorded: http://andregarzia.com/movies/revimpossible.mp4 Is that Gnome 3? Which distro are you using? Looks nice. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World LiveCode training and consulting:

Re: Wondering about LC and HTML5

2011-06-21 Thread Andre Garzia
Richard, That is Fedora 15 running Gnome 3.0. It is very good and it will replace Mac OS X as my main machine as soon as we get feature parity between the platforms (revBrowser, I am looking at you). I am running vanilla Fedora 15, with no tweaks or anything, just the plain OS. I've installed

Re: Wondering about LC and HTML5

2011-06-21 Thread Bob Sneidar
Actually there is a compile step. The beauty is that it happens in the dev environment as the app is running, and only to script objects that have been edited. Try to execute an uncompiled script and it will run like the previously compiled script. However, we are talking about a conversion

Re: Wondering about LC and HTML5

2011-06-21 Thread Pierre Sahores
Chipp, I just have to follow Richard, Andre, ... on this. The way i implement HTML5/CSS3/JS in my LC-server driven apps is not really complex at all and no far from funny to the end, something in between the feelings we had, as kids, in playing Lego and Meccano :D I use HTML templates build

Re: Wondering about LC and HTML5

2011-06-21 Thread Terry Vogelaar
Hi Chipp, This sheds some other light upon this topic. I think the reason why it is such a torture to work with HTML5 is the lack of a good RAD tool. The guy who figures out how to do that, is a soon to be rich guy. A development environment with the ease of use LiveCode offers, that makes

Re: Wondering about LC and HTML5

2011-06-21 Thread Chipp Walters
Hi Terry and the rest, Just finished a nice lunch with Jerry and Chris-- two people who have very different takes on the subject, but both agree with Richard and most of you regarding one thing: Learning Javascript is important. Both these guys also know me, and know how I program. Like many of

Re: Wondering about LC and HTML5

2011-06-21 Thread Richard Gaskin
Michael Kann wrote: I would like to be able to download a webpage or an entire website, with the css and javascript libraries that go with it. On your desktop you isolate all the parts that are personal to the webpage; basically everything you want to replace with your own material. Out

Re: Wondering about LC and HTML5

2011-06-21 Thread John Patten
Hi All... FWIW, Nice site with some folks developing specific tools and API for html5 here: http://popcornjs.org/ Might be useful for someone trying to develop RevTool ;-) John Patten SUSD On Jun 21, 2011, at 2:23 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote: Michael Kann wrote: I would like to be

Wondering about LC and HTML5

2011-06-20 Thread Chipp Walters
As it appears more and more companies are starting to focus on HTML5 app delivery, thus bypassing all sorts of App Stores (see: http://techcrunch.com/2011/06/15/facebook-project-spartan/ AND excuse reference to an MG Siegler written article! ;-). This seems on the surface like a pretty decent

Re: Wondering about LC and HTML5

2011-06-20 Thread Paul Looney
Phil Davis? On Jun 20, 2011, at 3:21 PM, Chipp Walters wrote: As it appears more and more companies are starting to focus on HTML5 app delivery, thus bypassing all sorts of App Stores (see: http://techcrunch.com/2011/06/15/facebook-project-spartan/ AND excuse reference to an MG Siegler

Re: Wondering about LC and HTML5

2011-06-20 Thread Phil Davis
On 6/20/11 4:30 PM, Paul Looney wrote: Phil Davis? Naaah - I know the guy pretty well and he's not up to the task. Maybe... Tereza Snyder? Phil Davis On Jun 20, 2011, at 3:21 PM, Chipp Walters wrote: As it appears more and more companies are starting to focus on HTML5 app delivery,

Re: Wondering about LC and HTML5

2011-06-20 Thread Chipp Walters
I guess I'm not as concerned who codes it at this point, but rather is it something needed? And if so, what are the challenges? Andre once started on a javascript compiler for Rev, so he may know more about this. On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 7:54 PM, Phil Davis rev...@pdslabs.net wrote: On 6/20/11

Re: Wondering about LC and HTML5

2011-06-20 Thread Mark Wieder
Chipp- Monday, June 20, 2011, 3:21:56 PM, you wrote: It seems to me it would be a good idea for LC or someone else to evaluate what it takes to export to HTML5. Don't know about HTML5 (and maybe Andre can step in and say something here as well), but having spent way too much time on rev-HTML

Re: Wondering about LC and HTML5

2011-06-20 Thread Andre Garzia
On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 10:17 PM, Mark Wieder mwie...@ahsoftware.netwrote: Chipp- Monday, June 20, 2011, 3:21:56 PM, you wrote: It seems to me it would be a good idea for LC or someone else to evaluate what it takes to export to HTML5. Don't know about HTML5 (and maybe Andre can step

Re: Wondering about LC and HTML5

2011-06-20 Thread Chipp Walters
Well, I talked with Chris. He said he remembers years ago someone built or started to build a language tree parser for Rev so they could transcode Transcript to another language. Once a Transcript language parser is created, you can move it to other languages-- or so the theory goes. Chris

Re: Wondering about LC and HTML5

2011-06-20 Thread Chipp Walters
Perhaps it's wise to consider an oft-quoted famous statement by Wayne Gretzky, I don't skate to where the puck is. I skate to where it's going to be. Let's count the number of OS'es now in need of support from multi plaftform IDEs: 1. MacOS Tiger, Lion and who knows what previous versions

Re: Wondering about LC and HTML5

2011-06-20 Thread Chipp Walters
I should have said Google just end-of-life support for IE 7 in Google Apps, include Gmail. On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 9:10 PM, Chipp Walters ch...@chipp.com wrote: Perhaps it's wise to consider an oft-quoted famous statement by Wayne Gretzky, I don't skate to where the puck is. I skate to where

Re: Wondering about LC and HTML5

2011-06-20 Thread Andre Garzia
Chipp, I tried that but I couldn't build the language tree parser, so I started coding from the other point, assuming there would be a parser, I started coding the javascript parts to be used by the parser/converter once it was done but when I lost my HD I lost basically everything. Both my main

Re: Wondering about LC and HTML5

2011-06-20 Thread Terry Vogelaar
Hi Chipp, You bring up some interesting points. But still, in my opinion, HTML5 is (as of now) too limited. In spite of everything Apple is trying to say about it, it is not a standard. And considering the approach it is taking, it never will be. What I mean is that there is still room to add

Re: Wondering about LC and HTML5

2011-06-20 Thread Andre Garzia
Folks, I just can't resist, this thread is just too good. Here is a movie I just recorded: http://andregarzia.com/movies/revimpossible.mp4 http://andregarzia.com/movies/revimpossible.webm As I said, the trick is to start by thinking that you are building a web page, not a stack. In this little